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Old 02-09-2005, 01:16 PM   #4036
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Hi Marcos,

Thanks for the info. As far as screws, do I need any special screws? or the screws that came with the regular kit will suffice.
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Hi Marcos,

Thanks for the info. As far as screws, do I need any special screws? or the screws that came with the regular kit will suffice.
i think that they are the same
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just noticed that Kyosho lists the FW-05R as discontinued already

I also just ordered the 3R chassis. my logic is, if its cheap and flimsy and sucks I can just get the Shimo one later. 32$ is nothing in this hobby and if it works fine, then coo, I saved 40$.

I just did the math, with my 3 orders of parts from HK, the total for this car is CHEAPER still than what a new RR costs. I got my 05R for 140$ w/o engine. It was used for an entire season. Now I have done the RR upgrade, replaced a fair bit of the driveline, replaced most of the screws (most with Stainless Steel, some with Ti) , went with the Al servo mounts (because the plastic ones were MISSING with this car!), and a CF rear shock tower.

Total so far is like 350$ if you count the 140$ and the 190 in other parts I have purchased for the car. A bit less than the $385 price for the RR kit and has many upgrades the RR doesnt have (such as CV's on the front and rear, the hardened gears, etc..)

So now I have another question to the 05R tuners of the world. My car is going to have a pretty steep ratio. 7.28 in first and 5.52 in second, I am going to be running an OS .12TR 5P Turbo plant. Any recommendations on clutch shoe to use? the course will be pretty technical and I would like something to give a smooth but solid engagement at a higher RPM (to keep torque up in the power band when bliping the throttle around a tight corner). is the Grey the prefered shoe for that kind of engagement?
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just noticed that Kyosho lists the FW-05R as discontinued already

I also just ordered the 3R chassis. my logic is, if its cheap and flimsy and sucks I can just get the Shimo one later. 32$ is nothing in this hobby and if it works fine, then coo, I saved 40$.

I just did the math, with my 3 orders of parts from HK, the total for this car is CHEAPER still than what a new RR costs. I got my 05R for 140$ w/o engine. It was used for an entire season. Now I have done the RR upgrade, replaced a fair bit of the driveline, replaced most of the screws (most with Stainless Steel, some with Ti) , went with the Al servo mounts (because the plastic ones were MISSING with this car!), and a CF rear shock tower.

Total so far is like 350$ if you count the 140$ and the 190 in other parts I have purchased for the car. A bit less than the $385 price for the RR kit and has many upgrades the RR doesnt have (such as CV's on the front and rear, the hardened gears, etc..)

So now I have another question to the 05R tuners of the world. My car is going to have a pretty steep ratio. 7.28 in first and 5.52 in second, I am going to be running an OS .12TR 5P Turbo plant. Any recommendations on clutch shoe to use? the course will be pretty technical and I would like something to give a smooth but solid engagement at a higher RPM (to keep torque up in the power band when bliping the throttle around a tight corner). is the Grey the prefered shoe for that kind of engagement?
thats because kit #31581B has been replaced by the foam edition(31582B with the one-way) and the FW-05RR
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just noticed that Kyosho lists the FW-05R as discontinued already

I also just ordered the 3R chassis. my logic is, if its cheap and flimsy and sucks I can just get the Shimo one later. 32$ is nothing in this hobby and if it works fine, then coo, I saved 40$.

I just did the math, with my 3 orders of parts from HK, the total for this car is CHEAPER still than what a new RR costs. I got my 05R for 140$ w/o engine. It was used for an entire season. Now I have done the RR upgrade, replaced a fair bit of the driveline, replaced most of the screws (most with Stainless Steel, some with Ti) , went with the Al servo mounts (because the plastic ones were MISSING with this car!), and a CF rear shock tower.

Total so far is like 350$ if you count the 140$ and the 190 in other parts I have purchased for the car. A bit less than the $385 price for the RR kit and has many upgrades the RR doesnt have (such as CV's on the front and rear, the hardened gears, etc..)

So now I have another question to the 05R tuners of the world. My car is going to have a pretty steep ratio. 7.28 in first and 5.52 in second, I am going to be running an OS .12TR 5P Turbo plant. Any recommendations on clutch shoe to use? the course will be pretty technical and I would like something to give a smooth but solid engagement at a higher RPM (to keep torque up in the power band when bliping the throttle around a tight corner). is the Grey the prefered shoe for that kind of engagement?
You will still get all the FW05R parts as they are now used on the 05S and 05T.
Black clutch is standard
Grey is softer than Black
Red is Sharper than Black
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You will still get all the FW05R parts as they are now used on the 05S and 05T.
Black clutch is standard
Grey is softer than Black
Red is Sharper than Black
Have you tried the red yet?
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You will still get all the FW05R parts as they are now used on the 05S and 05T.
Black clutch is standard
Grey is softer than Black
Red is Sharper than Black
Hi Nimo, Do you run your FW05RR on rubber tyres, if you do could you please tell me your front end set up to eliminate the grove on the inside of the tyre. Is it a toe-in,toe-out or camber/caster issue ? Thanks .
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i hear that he is the master with rubber tyres!
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Hi Nimo, Do you run your FW05RR on rubber tyres, if you do could you please tell me your front end set up to eliminate the grove on the inside of the tyre. Is it a toe-in,toe-out or camber/caster issue ? Thanks .
You will always get more wear on the inside of the front tyres, this is normal for this car, but if you're getting a groove it is probably down to using a too smaller insert, you will need one that fills the tyre, I use Echo 4430S inserts (S = soft, M & H available) sometimes I might use the 4432S in the front to reduce inside wear but this looses a little grip.
If you can get them, use the ING wheel (T24MMS), it's a 0.8 inch up wheel so the tyre seats better.
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When using Rubber tyres you will need to enlarge the breather holes in the wheels.
Drill two 5mm holes in each wheel, one 180 opposite the other
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When using Rubber tyres you will need to enlarge the breather holes in the wheels.
Drill two 5mm holes in each wheel, one 180 opposite the other
Thanks for the reply Nimo. Have you ever used the kyosho 92014 tyres and 92013 inserts ? What were your thoughts ? Thanks again.
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Hi ernie!

The 92014 tyres ("V-Compound") are the standard-tyres for the kwc-expert-class. Try 30 Shore front and rear or 35 front and 30 rear. The V-Slicks are much better than the older 92902 ("Z-Compound" and last longer. Also there are 92141 around ("G-compound") which are intended for use on carpet but are also good on asphalt. The 92013 inserts are way to thin!


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Hi ernie!

The 92014 tyres ("V-Compound") are the standard-tyres for the kwc-expert-class. Try 30 Shore front and rear or 35 front and 30 rear. The V-Slicks are much better than the older 92902 ("Z-Compound" and last longer. Also there are 92141 around ("G-compound") which are intended for use on carpet but are also good on asphalt. The 92013 inserts are way to thin!


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Thanks Robert-FW05 .What inserts would you use with the 92014 tyres. Thanks again.
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When using Rubber tyres you will need to enlarge the breather holes in the wheels.
Drill two 5mm holes in each wheel, one 180 opposite the other
how are your lap times between the foam v/s rubber?
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how are your lap times between the foam v/s rubber?
Tricky track this time of year so it's a lottery whether to use Foam or Rubber, but I have found Sorex 24 to be as good as Foam on cold tracks.
Last Sundays meeting I took FTQ, and in the 2-leg 5 minute sprint finals I got a clear win in leg 1, and a 2nd in Leg 2 to a Foam shod MTX3.
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