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Old 06-10-2004, 09:44 PM   #1756
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If you want more turning in,you should need less front toe-out.
I think you got it the other way around. More toe out, more initial turn in.
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Old 06-10-2004, 09:47 PM   #1757
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DON'T USE HEX HEAD SCREWS UNDER THE CHASSIS!

a veteran's suggestion....
Any reasons not too? The hex head will get rub on the surface easily and strip?

With countersunk holes for the screws in the chassis nowadays, I don't think that will be a problem.
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Old 06-10-2004, 09:50 PM   #1758
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I think you got it the other way around. More toe out, more initial turn in.
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Old 06-10-2004, 10:02 PM   #1759
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Thanks Dino! I will try to`email Harmony...


Yup...I did run w/ a 2deg toe out and didn't work the way I wanted it last Sunday, finally decided to swicth car(R40 w/ 1way). Thru inspection tonight....my left steering post(chassis side) was loose and maybe that was the fault. Gonna fix it and start zero toe then go from there....
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I think you got it the other way around. More toe out, more initial turn in.
I have never been able to figure that one out. With toe in at the back and toe out at the front the car is stable. When you turn to the right the weight of the car is transfered to the left.

The left wheels will then influence the direction of the car and they both want to go to the left when turning right.

If the car has toe in at the front the front wheel will want to turn right more therfore adding steering force.

I tried this at the track. I went fron 5 deg toe in to 5 deg toe out at the front and the results were as expected and contrary to most peoples advice.

Toe out at the front will give less steering
Toe in at the front will give more steering

And also

Toe in at the back will give less steering
Toe out at the back will give more steering

Im not saying this is what you should do only thats what i saw when i tried it.

I now use 0deg toe at the front

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Old 06-11-2004, 02:08 AM   #1761
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Toe out at the front will give less steering
Toe in at the front will give more steering
This is true for on power steering, but not so for off power or turning in.
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Old 06-11-2004, 02:09 AM   #1762
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I tried this at the track. I went fron 5 deg toe in to 5 deg toe out at the front and the results were as expected and contrary to most peoples advice.
5 degrees? I think that's a little excessive. Perhaps that's the reason for your conclusion. Usually, not more than 2 degree toe out per wheel is used. Mostly 1 degree or even 0.5 degree per wheel. Just little will do.

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Toe in at the back will give less steering
Toe out at the back will give more steering
Never run toe OUT in the rear ! Makes the car really unstable. Have you driven the NTC3 with the older V1 suspension when the rear wheels toe out on accident? Almost undriveable.

Toe in in the rear makes the rear more stable at the expense of straight line speed. On power steering will also decrease with more toe in.
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Old 06-11-2004, 02:30 AM   #1763
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5 degrees? I think that's a little excessive. Perhaps that's the reason for your conclusion. Usually, not more than 2 degree toe out per wheel is used. Mostly 1 degree or even 0.5 degree per wheel. Just little will do.

Just to experiment. I went from 5 deg toe in to 5 deg toe out in 1 deg steps.

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Do you happen to be the guy that racing at Pro-Speed?

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Can you Please tell me, where I can get that spare part for the Front Conversion. So that I can order it together somehow???

Also, is this conversion can give me more turning in steering or I am doing something wrong with a toe out of 1.5 - 1mm of caster???

here's my car:


Thanks Nimo for your reply on the other forum about the center conversion...
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Thanx for the replies on the screws guys...guess I'll be building it with the hex head with the exception on the bottom chasis.
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Just ordered my kyosho pipe ,hopefully that will help a little bit more , also replaced my OsTr. with another motor (a little bit more powerfull ).
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Just ordered my kyosho pipe ,hopefully that will help a little bit more , also replaced my OsTr. with another motor (a little bit more powerfull ).
How did the car perform at FT Speedway. I thought you would give us a write up on the performance compared to the 710
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Yes please tell us how the car handled out of the box compared to 710.
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My car still not light enough in my opinion....
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How did the car perform at FT Speedway. I thought you would give us a write up on the performance compared to the 710
I had to help out at the track organizer(Jorge Ruiz) so I only ran one qualifier that whole weekend , and i used the stock set up and kyosho gears , the car handles great ,I really didnt have a chance or time to change the set up or try a different engine. I ran it with the OSTR and it performed very well.(alot better than my first time out with the 710 using the same motor).

This weekend I will be changing engines and pipe ,and i'm getting some tips from Josh C. I will be changing a little bit on the gear ratios but the car had a good top end performance even with the OS TR. Over all i believe that this car its alot tougher than my 710 and it feels more planted and accelerates out of the corner than my 710. As soon as i receive my Kyosho pipe i will be testing the car getting it ready for the On-road state series.
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