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Old 03-02-2004, 08:15 AM   #1801
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Yeah, back last year, we did email HPI regarding to host a HPI challenge race, but after understanding their point of view, we realized that HPI want their race hosted at some SPECIAL EVENT that lots of NON-RC ppl will walk around and discover how much fun is RC and how good is HPI...........

It is a business deal for them...........race is probably the #2 or #3 concern for them, they want ppl see us to race and suddenly go buy a HPI RC car for their son or for themselve to run around backyard.

So, even though you have a track like Revelation or Hamilton, HPI won't care.................but if you have a PGA Golf Champtionship Tour and would like to host a HPI challenge right in the middle of downtown CHICAGO.........YES, HPI will be there.

Sure....like I have $50 millions to blow for one HPI challenge race right next to TIGER WOODS.

Ah, what am I going to do with the R40...........and the 2004 spec is coming too, I think I see EBAY.

P.S. That 2004 spec R40 is attractive.

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Old 03-02-2004, 12:27 PM   #1802
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For those who care about this....

HPI Japan released the R40 (the current version) on JULY 2003 for $39800 yen.

HK market received the R40 kit and public on July/Aug 2003 for $240 US.

USA dealer like TOWER added the R40 kit on Augest 06 2003 for $265 US .

HPI Japan released the 04 Spec of R40 on MARCH 2004 for $45000 yen

If the same pattern occured here in USA, dealer should be able to get the R40 04 spec next month (APRIL) for around $300 US street price, and the upgrade kit for around $120.

Now, I hope the pattern is accurate.
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Old 03-02-2004, 01:41 PM   #1803
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$120 to save 1/5 of a pound. Hmmm....
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Old 03-02-2004, 03:03 PM   #1804
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No 710's?............
Don't believe the hype. The 710 is nothing special. I am not saying it is bad, just not a "silver bullet". I have seen several of them drive and they are dang nice and drive well, but they are no faster than the MTX3 or the R40 in the same hands. Mugen smashed them at the Winternats with their over 2 year old car.
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Old 03-02-2004, 03:05 PM   #1805
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I don't think the WEIGHT matter that much on this case.....the upgrade kit are missing some parts that the 2004 kits are including, and making it buying a kit is well worth then upgrading the R40 to R40 04 spec....

These are included in the upgrade kit (let say it is $120)
#33401 lightweight 2 speed shaft
#33402 lightweight middle shaft
#33403 steering wheel upgrade set
#33405 heat sink aluminum engine mount
#33407 aluminum hexagonal hub (clamp type /4pcs)
#33408 light weight upper deck
#73089 front shock tower A (graphite)
#73090 rear shock tower A (graphite)
#73924 7075S chassis (3mm/ gun metal) \6,300

These 3 items are listed (or shown) on the R40 2004 Upgrade kit.
#87172 2 speed set (0.8M 59/21T 53/27T) \4,800
#Z368 R40 titanium screw set \6,000
HPI alumimnum adjustable coilover shocks set (x4) (this item is not listed on their list but it was shown on the picture)

I think selling the stock R40 and getting a new kit is cheaper then upgrade it....unless you have 1/2 the upgrades already....

That is very familiar.......Serpent did that on 705, 835 and 950 already.......and HPI just learn that trick to make money....pretty fast.
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Old 03-02-2004, 03:11 PM   #1806
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I am glad they are offering the conversion kit. Kyosho did a similar thing when then they upgraded the V1RR to the Evolution. The top deck and chassis together almost total $120.

It is annoying sometimes to have a car and then a new model is released, but I think this has to happen to move the vehicle along as team drivers do R&D.

Oh yeah just in case yall were wondering HPI has hit another home run with their Pro 4. That car is BAD ASS.
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Mugen smashed them at the Winternats with their over 2 year old car.
I think the only problem I have with S710 is...........they have some parts that are NOT SUPPOSE to break but BREAKS (ie, rear shock towers, front shock shafts, pivot balls too short and easy to snap due to aluminum material, front bumper plate up and down....etc)............

Now R40 has a 04 spec that is APPLE to APPLE compete with S710 or Mugen, I think a lot of ppl will find that easier to make their choice for 2004.
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It is annoying sometimes to have a car and then a new model is released, but I think this has to happen to move the vehicle along as team drivers do R&D.
Serpent 705 has the same complaint when the 710 released 10 months after the 705..........also, Veteq 01 and 02........
I am afraid to see that most big RC mfr will have to follow the Serpent foot step and create this 04, 05 conversion cause that is major $$$$....

I think HPI in elect is a totally different ball game.......that PRO4 is what I want when the NITRO season is over.
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HPI Japan released the 04 Spec of R40 on MARCH 2004 for $45000 yen

Is that street price or retail?
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Is that street price or retail?
OK, I think 45,000 YEN is considered the MSRP, so that is a HIGH PRICE.......but my calculation is base on this...
Stock R40 is $39800 Yen listed on 07-2003 from HPI Japan
And the street price of R40 now (online) is around $260

39800/260 = 153.07

Then I used that ratio factor (153.07) onto the R40 2004 price $45,000....

45000/153.07 = 293.98 US$.

We can try HPI PRO 4 too.....HPI listed @ $43,000 Yen

43,000/153.07 = $281 US$

Most online places selling the PRO 4 for $290....+/- $9 only...

So I think the 153.07 conversion rate is very accurate on HPI products.

Of course, there are so many factors that the R40 04 spec will cost more then $300.......but for now, hope the 04 will be around $300-$330 range.

P.S. I don't have any price info or date on 04 spec...I just have too much time in between meetings so I wasted it on RC.

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Don't believe the hype. The 710 is nothing special. I am not saying it is bad, just not a "silver bullet". I have seen several of them drive and they are dang nice and drive well, but they are no faster than the MTX3 or the R40 in the same hands. Mugen smashed them at the Winternats with their over 2 year old car.

You better hope none of the "silver bullet devotees" hear you say that..esp "slow" marcos....



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I think the only problem I have with S710 is...........they have some parts that are NOT SUPPOSE to break but BREAKS (ie, rear shock towers, front shock shafts, pivot balls too short and easy to snap due to aluminum material, front bumper plate up and down....etc)............


huh...and I thought Serpent arranged to have this car walk on water in Mel Gibson's Sequel...
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huh...and I thought Serpent arranged to have this car walk on water in Mel Gibson's Sequel...

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I just finished installing the Ti screw set into my R40. Looks like I shaved around 20-25 grams using them. Not too bad.
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hey AMG, what is the weight of your car now?
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