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Old 04-18-2008, 08:23 PM   #46
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you know Ive actually kicked around a few IDEAS of my own and if financially feasible for my OWN ECONOMIC situation I would pursue it.....here goes, and btw if my local club wants to kick this around PLEASE DONT HESITATE to contact me FOR HELP! heres the deal my local club seems to be comprised MOSTLY of guys above lets just say 30, ( seems Im not the only one) what I am almost CERTAIN of is that this hobby at the TRACK were handled like an NBA Baller forum it would gain attraction.
What I mean by NBA Baller forum is, A DJ, I know it sounds crazy but get the Hip-Hop and younger guys and gals with somewhat limitless $$ potential, SELL DRINKS (not alcohol), SELL FOOD, how about a MOBILE SHOP! How about GIRLS IN BIKINIS. HOW ABOUT A DRIFT SESSION! GRUDGE MATCHES. ONE ON ONES! ITS CULTURE MERGING! If you make it a NITE CLUB type atmosphere where local guys and gals can GO TO on a friday or saturday nite and day, to see the Drift competition with the locals and the not so locals, HEAR THE LATEST TUNES, watch the LATEST EQUIPMENT smoke the track, buy a hot dog and watch the RACES and such THIS WOULD FLOURISH. The track locally at Joyce PARK is SLICKER than Dog SH!T on a door handle, but I would love to see more of this at these places.
I know that in my HAY DAY!! (im 30 now) we had a thing called a RAVE it got some much undeserved negative publicity, but we had guys at all the parties who would pass out flyers for the next party and even put them on your windshield while you were at the bars. The way this concept worked would work with this hobby as well, and what I mean is leave fliers in the hobby shops, on the cars, have PROS come in for demos. Have DJS spinning and a PARTY LIKE ATMOSPHERE!
I think kids would EAT IT UP!!! Guarunteed! and whether we want to admit it or NOT, most 14-19,20 year olds have UNLIMITED INCOME!
It would work if handled right.
BUT HEY I live in Cincinnati, and we cant even buy porn
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This thread is great! I have just recently come back around to this topic in my thinking and this thread is right on target. My .02.

I've been involved in several hobby clubs across the US. They range from RC to Paintball to the illustrious Model Railroad club. "Dork, party of one your table is ready." Anyway, I've also visited literally hundreds of tracks and hobby shops around the country and always talk to those knowledgeable about the racing history there. What I have found is that while clubs have many deficiencies, the percentage of clubs that try and fail is minuscule compared to the number of private enterprises that do so. Just in my hometown of South Bend, IN where we currently have four tracks in the local vicinity, a friend and I recently counted 15 commercial tracks that had failed over the past fifteen years! The two that have stood the test of time longest are both currently commercial but only marginally so and one is really far closer to a club. So for all their drawbacks I am firmly convinced that in the US the club model is the way to go for most of the country. Dense metropolitan areas and sparsely populated rural areas have unique real estate markets so may differ on the best solution, but for the 80% of the country that lives in smaller cities and suburbia, clubs are the way to go.

Tom Kelley is right on the money with his take that municipalities should step up to the plate and set aside land and funds for hobby activities. (Keep the faith Tom, hopefully we'll race a little this summer.) It is very difficult for a small group of people to motivate a bureaucracy to action especially when a little bit of a "build it and they will come" mindset is required. However, take 500 RC racers down to your local city hall, even in Manhattan, and watch how quickly you get a park. Thankfully we have the Internet! Yes this marvel of modern gossip is our best tool for organizing people into action. The key to success with local governments is numbers. Connecting with local people of similar interest is the foundation to starting an institution of mutual benefit.

Personally I'm constantly bemused by the rivalry of dirt vs. asphalt. I'm a nitro onroad guy but that doesn't exist within two hours of where I live so pragmatically I'm forced to race dirt. But many of the people who race dirt find reason for antipathy towards the onroad guys and vice versa. It's like two guys on a tropical island deciding they won't fish together because one likes mackerel and the other tuna. A fish is a fish for gods sake. And don't get me started about the oval guys. It makes sense for people interested in RC of all flavors to get involved with any effort to direct funds toward the hobby as a whole, so reach out to the planes and boats and even the train guys. One of the clubs that really got me thinking about clubs and parks is a model railroad club in Union Township New Jersey called, and I'm not kidding here, The Model Railroad Club These guys got the county of Union to put up the land, then over several years, they built the building and railroad. To this day it is one of the largest and best model railroads in the country and it's in the middle of some incredibly expensive real estate. Now why not put an onroad track right next door with an offroad track on the other side of the drivers stand. This is the infrastructure model that works and makes sense for all parties involved.

This post is long enough so that's it for now but if there is interest I will further expound my thoughts on how to go about making it so and what I've learned about healthy clubs. If not I'll keep my silly quips to myself.
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Old 04-20-2008, 07:48 PM   #48
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I've always wondered what it would take for a city to build a public rc track in a park. Hell, here in Allen, Tx (dallas) we have a super nice huge concrete skatepark. That thing must have cost a good amount of money.

I suppose what Thugs mentioned makes sense, it takes numbers and interest, otherwise the city won't fork over the cash.

If there could be a track (I'm thinking onroad because there are plenty offroad tracks here) that is build (and maintained?) by the city it seems that would take off a lot of the burden off an individual or a group of guys cost-wise..

LET THE CITY BUILD ONE!!
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Ok... For the people that would like into this, getting a city, town, etc. to help provide a R/C park, let's put our heads together and put together a document template that can be used by all, just add numbers for your area... And I'm sure we have people here that would love to proof it from the city's point of view (will it fly)....

Anyone have a document that they would be willing to share with the rest of us? To get this started....
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I made a thread on the subject of park and rec tracks in the racing forum....maybe we should migrate that portion of the conversation over to that?
This could be an extremely helpful thread if guys with experience with this will offer input.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=218061
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I'm really starting to gain intrest in this concept. I've never dealt with city officials before. Do you have to compete with other people wanting money for recreational stuff? Is it long, drawn out process dealing with the city?

From what I can think of it seems there are some things you would have to have prepared and ready to give to them.
Things like:

- get a qoute from a reputable track builder (track needs to be good. if the surface is crap people won't want to run on it)
- gauge how big such a track would be, find a place (would it be cheaper to install one on an existing parking lot or just start diggin in the dirt?)
- might be worth thinking about having a smaller track right next to a big one for beginners and bashers (and to show the city that not everyone needs a $1000 budget to participate in this hobby)
- find out what other equipment would needed to be purchased (lap counter, driver stand, ect.)
- find out what it would take to maintain it over a period of time (and find out if the city would be able to provide this service)
- get a list of people and give them website links to show them (city officials)how popular rc is and to gauge the overall intrest in a facility like this
- convey to them that this is a family friendly activity, keeps kids off the streets, etc.
- show them how weekly events could be run by a club organization
- try to have weekly races with beginner (and cost) friendly classes (run what you brung) and advanced racer (and $$) classes

This is what I could think of off the top of my head. If I'm completly out of field on this or on some points so far let me know.

We have a big concrete skate park here in Allen, tx. I wonder what it took to get that up and running..
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I made a thread on the subject of park and rec tracks in the racing forum....maybe we should migrate that portion of the conversation over to that?
This could be an extremely helpful thread if guys with experience with this will offer input.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=218061
I really would like to see something happen in the metro Atlanta area. Not just a permanent facility, but kinda a traveling race track to draw clueless spectators and possibly future members. I think that's the biggest issue...have enough members to be able to support the hobby. The more people, the better. It's nice to accommodate current racers, but the new people are the real driving force....at least thats how i feel.
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I was just thinking a neat way to get people interested would be to have a small pool of RELIABLE,CHEAP,EASY TO FIX cars that the club owns that the public could rent/drive in a separate class, just to see if they would like to try it w/o busting the bank on new equipment, just to collect dust after they decide they don't like it. It cost a lot of upfront cash to find out this hobby isn't what you bargained for.
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Ok... For the people that would like into this, getting a city, town, etc. to help provide a R/C park, let's put our heads together and put together a document template that can be used by all, just add numbers for your area... And I'm sure we have people here that would love to proof it from the city's point of view (will it fly)....

Anyone have a document that they would be willing to share with the rest of us? To get this started....
Bvoltz,
Great Idea. I'll put to work on one and post it on the parks thread http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=218061
when I've got a first draft. Anyone with any input on such a document please pipe up.
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For all interested,
I'm putting together a document template for proposals to local parks departments to build racing facilities. If anyone is involved with the bureaucracy in a parks department or has a helpful friend who is, please PM me so we can chat. I'm speaking with a couple people now but the broader the input the better.
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