Kyosho V-ONE RRR EVO 2
03-11-2010, 02:31 PM
#1966
Spur gears not lining up
My 1st and 2nd spur gears on my new shimo edition are not lining up perfectly to match the clutch bell to be inline line with each other. I have the motor mount set as far forward as possible doesn't line up. I shimmed the clutch bell forward to match them as close as possible then my clutch shoe is to far from the bell, causing high rpm's too move the car, even after adjusting the spring. Not good. I am using the max power rr3 .12 .Do I need to put more washers behind the fly wheel?
I have also tried adjusting the rear gear shaft. I don't know whats up, if I did some thing wrong in the build or what. I didn't have this problem in my older rrr's. And does anyone have a proper fix for the slop between the outer hub bearings and the wheel hex/pin. I shimmed it up with cheap traxxas fiber washers. But I know very well I should not be doing that. thanks.
I have also tried adjusting the rear gear shaft. I don't know whats up, if I did some thing wrong in the build or what. I didn't have this problem in my older rrr's. And does anyone have a proper fix for the slop between the outer hub bearings and the wheel hex/pin. I shimmed it up with cheap traxxas fiber washers. But I know very well I should not be doing that. thanks.
Last edited by kyosho_ken; 03-11-2010 at 02:32 PM. Reason: spelling error
03-11-2010, 02:44 PM
#1967
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My 1st and 2nd spur gears on my new shimo edition are not lining up perfectly to match the clutch bell to be inline line with each other. I have the motor mount set as far forward as possible doesn't line up. I shimmed the clutch bell forward to match them as close as possible then my clutch shoe is to far from the bell, causing high rpm's too move the car, even after adjusting the spring. Not good. I am using the max power rr3 .12 .Do I need to put more washers behind the fly wheel?
I have also tried adjusting the rear gear shaft. I don't know whats up, if I did some thing wrong in the build or what. I didn't have this problem in my older rrr's. And does anyone have a proper fix for the slop between the outer hub bearings and the wheel hex/pin. I shimmed it up with cheap traxxas fiber washers. But I know very well I should not be doing that. thanks.
I have also tried adjusting the rear gear shaft. I don't know whats up, if I did some thing wrong in the build or what. I didn't have this problem in my older rrr's. And does anyone have a proper fix for the slop between the outer hub bearings and the wheel hex/pin. I shimmed it up with cheap traxxas fiber washers. But I know very well I should not be doing that. thanks.
Also; our Shimo doesn't have any play in the hubs, but it was very tight, and the hex nut needed to be pushed in hard; using a tool.
I hope that I have understood your problems correctly, and that this is any help at all to you.
Kindest regards,
Lars.
03-11-2010, 06:55 PM
#1968
I agree.. The wheel clamps had to be pushed on with a lot of force or you will have all that play you are experiencing.
Regarding the clutch, you can add a shim or two behind the flywheel, but I have gotten into the habit of using a dremel to open up the engine mount holes in the chassis. This allows me to move the engine just a little bit farther to get the pinions to line up with the spurs a bit better.
Regarding the clutch, you can add a shim or two behind the flywheel, but I have gotten into the habit of using a dremel to open up the engine mount holes in the chassis. This allows me to move the engine just a little bit farther to get the pinions to line up with the spurs a bit better.
03-12-2010, 03:02 AM
#1969
Many thanks Lars and Brian re tire truing erlier.
Last edited by MikaR; 03-12-2010 at 10:59 AM.
03-14-2010, 12:01 PM
#1970
I am having alot of trouble with my evo2 and in desperate need of some help.
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K rear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K rear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
03-14-2010, 12:29 PM
#1971
Is anyone else running a Evo2 at your track?
What body are you running?
Have you tried 10K diff oil in the rear?
What shore tires are you running and is this much different than anyone else's?
Have you checked your bearings recently to make sure none are bad?
My .02 cents would be to start by changing the diff oil to 10K.
Also, go to the RRR Knowledge Base at my Web site and go over the FAQ section. There is some useful theory that may help with your troubleshooting efforts.
Good luck!
03-14-2010, 12:55 PM
#1972
set up
What tire shore are you using? what is the front shore and rear shore?
also what is the diameter? try 60mm front and 62mm rear
make sure your rear droop drops when you lift the rear suspension.
what is the ride height? front and rear?
try 5.5mm in the front and 6.0mm rear
also try a lighter load in the rear diff. like 5k rear diff oil
also what is the diameter? try 60mm front and 62mm rear
make sure your rear droop drops when you lift the rear suspension.
what is the ride height? front and rear?
try 5.5mm in the front and 6.0mm rear
also try a lighter load in the rear diff. like 5k rear diff oil
I am having alot of trouble with my evo2 and in desperate need of some help.
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K rear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K rear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
03-14-2010, 01:25 PM
#1973
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I am having alot of trouble with my evo2 and in desperate need of some help.
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K rear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K rear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
Make sure that that your rear shockies have lots of travel; long shafts so the arms have heaps of up and down movement, and use the upper shock ball position on the arms or longer ball ends on the shockie shafts, if they don't have much down travel. Also important; disconnect the rear sway bar; the sway bar makes wheels on both sides work together; and you will get much more grip on bumpy and low grip tracks if you run an independent rear suspension. The car will lift the wheel when its going around a corner if it isn't totally free of any restrictions to the travel of the arms, and you want both rear wheels on the ground at all times in your case. Don't worry about chatter from too much droop at this stage; you can look into that later if it becomes a problem.
Leave the front droop where you have it now, until you have enough rear grip.
Could you please keep us updated on the cause of this, perhaps there is something to learn from it?
Kindest regards,
Lars.
Last edited by Chickentrader; 03-14-2010 at 01:51 PM.
03-14-2010, 01:32 PM
#1974
Car comes with a front oneway - are you sure the front oneway bearings are installed to the right direction ? Just a thought...
03-14-2010, 09:08 PM
#1975
set up
Toso's old set up is 3.5 degree rear toe in and 4-5 degree rear camber, also make sure you have proper split between front and rear tire size.
if the rears get to small and catch up to the fronts the rear of the car will get looser
One more thing I had saimilar issue this past weekend, I was runnig 37 front tires and 40 rear tires and was spinning out just about everywhere on the medium grip track. I switch to 40 fronts and 35 rears and the car was instantly smoother with very good rear traction, granted it had a little on throttle push but definetly easier to drive and better then spinning out, Also had lots of rear tire wear, this tire set would not work in long main but good enough for Qualifing. You would be able to harden the rear when traction comes up
03-14-2010, 09:18 PM
#1976
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he is running a spool
Toso's old set up is 3.5 degree rear toe in and 4-5 degree rear camber, also make sure you have proper split between front and rear tire size.
if the rears get to small and catch up to the fronts the rear of the car will get looser
One more thing I had saimilar issue this past weekend, I was runnig 37 front tires and 40 rear tires and was spinning out just about everywhere on the medium grip track. I switch to 40 fronts and 35 rears and the car was instantly smoother with very good rear traction, granted it had a little on throttle push but definetly easier to drive and better then spinning out, Also had lots of rear tire wear, this tire set would not work in long main but good enough for Qualifing. You would be able to harden the rear when traction comes up
Toso's old set up is 3.5 degree rear toe in and 4-5 degree rear camber, also make sure you have proper split between front and rear tire size.
if the rears get to small and catch up to the fronts the rear of the car will get looser
One more thing I had saimilar issue this past weekend, I was runnig 37 front tires and 40 rear tires and was spinning out just about everywhere on the medium grip track. I switch to 40 fronts and 35 rears and the car was instantly smoother with very good rear traction, granted it had a little on throttle push but definetly easier to drive and better then spinning out, Also had lots of rear tire wear, this tire set would not work in long main but good enough for Qualifing. You would be able to harden the rear when traction comes up
Kindest regards,
Lars.
03-15-2010, 12:13 AM
#1977
I am having alot of trouble with my evo2 and in desperate need of some help.
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K r/belt ear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
My car seems to have no rear traction. i cant drive through a corner without the rear end drifting out. i cant get onto the power unless the car has lost all turning momentum or the back will drift out.
now my latest problem is i cant even turn into a corner without the car going into a spin. at my local track we have a few sweepers that off high speed straights that we simply turn full lock to wash off speed instead of breaking. i can no longer do it as my car just spins out.
origionaly i thought i had too much steering and the car was just oversteering and drifting through the corner. but now it is doing it on the way into the corner and i am getting very angry at the track.
Everyone at the track have been giving me advise and tips to try and fix the problem. i have gone back to the stock setup. i have gone back to my setups i used before the problem got this bad. i have used other peoples setups and nothing seems to work. i have replaced parts and completely rebuilt the car and the problem only seems to get worse by the race meet
i have always strugled for tail grip in this car but when the car was newer it was bearable. but i am now at my wits end and im ready to sell the car and buy something else. no one can figure out where it has gone wrong
some people are saying i have too much steering. some people say its in the tail of the car. but i no longer no what to do
my current setup is
Front toe 1 degree out each side
2 degrees of front camber
+1 front droop
front and rear anti roll bars flat
3 degrees of rear camber
3 degrees of rear toe in
Front spool
30K r/belt ear diff oil
2mm offset rear driveshafts
+4 rear droop
Rear upper arms in the outer hole of the lower row
C ackerman link
Apart form that the rest is pretty stock
try it and get back to us
Regards
Alex
Last edited by Alex Siddique; 03-15-2010 at 12:26 AM.
03-15-2010, 12:25 AM
#1978
Just some questions...
Is anyone else running a Evo2 at your track?
What body are you running?
Have you tried 10K diff oil in the rear?
What shore tires are you running and is this much different than anyone else's?
Have you checked your bearings recently to make sure none are bad?
My .02 cents would be to start by changing the diff oil to 10K.
Is anyone else running a Evo2 at your track?
What body are you running?
Have you tried 10K diff oil in the rear?
What shore tires are you running and is this much different than anyone else's?
Have you checked your bearings recently to make sure none are bad?
My .02 cents would be to start by changing the diff oil to 10K.
Im running the Dodge 3.1, i tried the new R5-N body on the weekend and it was worse.
I havent tryed as low as 10K rear diff oil but i was down to 20K and it was worse than it was with higher oils. it got better with 50K but wasn't great so i went back to 30K whick is what everyone runs at our track.
It doesnt seem to matter what shore tires i run it still does it. i have tryed 37 through 42 and it doent mak a difference. 40's are the common tire for the track.
I just installed a new set of bearings and they all run free.
that is the ride height i am running 5.5/6mm
Strange; are you sure that there is no slip between front and rear in your drive train? We've also had problems like that at times, and it has always turned out to be caused by some silly problem in the drive train, but your rear droop is too short in my belief, and just wouldn't work in our setups.
Make sure that that your rear shockies have lots of travel; long shafts so the arms have heaps of up and down movement, and use the upper shock ball position on the arms or longer ball ends on the shockie shafts, if they don't have much down travel. Also important; disconnect the rear sway bar; the sway bar makes wheels on both sides work together; and you will get much more grip on bumpy and low grip tracks if you run an independent rear suspension. The car will lift the wheel when its going around a corner if it isn't totally free of any restrictions to the travel of the arms, and you want both rear wheels on the ground at all times in your case. Don't worry about chatter from too much droop at this stage; you can look into that later if it becomes a problem.
Kindest regards,
Lars.
Make sure that that your rear shockies have lots of travel; long shafts so the arms have heaps of up and down movement, and use the upper shock ball position on the arms or longer ball ends on the shockie shafts, if they don't have much down travel. Also important; disconnect the rear sway bar; the sway bar makes wheels on both sides work together; and you will get much more grip on bumpy and low grip tracks if you run an independent rear suspension. The car will lift the wheel when its going around a corner if it isn't totally free of any restrictions to the travel of the arms, and you want both rear wheels on the ground at all times in your case. Don't worry about chatter from too much droop at this stage; you can look into that later if it becomes a problem.
Kindest regards,
Lars.
Is there a longer shock shaft i can get? i have tried what you are saying and on the weekend i even unscrewed the ball ends a little further so they were 12.1mm instead of 11.5mm
a longer ball end wont give me any more droop as the shock length is really determined by the droop. i have made sure the shocks are longer that the arm position at full droop.
how much droop do you think i should be running? to get it i will have to run longer ball end so i will try it
I will also try running with out the rear sway bar and see if that helps
Thanks everyone
ill give all your tips a try. there are a few here that no one has given me yet so hopefully it will work
Im going to cempletely rebuild the car again and see if there is something binding aswell
Thanks again guys
03-15-2010, 01:41 AM
#1979
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im assuming you race at lilydale this is my set up
i have an evo so its more of a starting point
Front
-1 camber R
-1.5 camber L
1 degree toe out
-1 droop
caster the arms in the middle
shocks layed all the way down
Rear
-4 camber L
-3 camber R
-3 toe in
4 droop
shocks layed all the way down
sway bars flat
everything else kit
hope that helps
i have an evo so its more of a starting point
Front
-1 camber R
-1.5 camber L
1 degree toe out
-1 droop
caster the arms in the middle
shocks layed all the way down
Rear
-4 camber L
-3 camber R
-3 toe in
4 droop
shocks layed all the way down
sway bars flat
everything else kit
hope that helps