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Old 12-24-2009, 01:13 AM   #676
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If it is any help, We (Yeovil Model Cars) have been appointed main dealers for the new Kyosho On Road cars here in the UK.

We have been involved (racing and supplying) 1/10 and 1/8 for many years now.
Most of our direct experience is with Serpent, but we have decided to take Kyosho under our wing for 2010 and are looking forward to the extra challenge.
I have an M3 Evo built and set up (thanks Paulie for your advice) ready to go but the weather over here has been foul for nearly 6 weeks (wet and now snow and ice). As soon as we get a dry snap then we will be testing back to back against the 966 at our local club (MMMRC.org)
Will report back as soon as we have done the testing.

Happy Christmas

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If it is any help, We (Yeovil Model Cars) have been appointed main dealers for the new Kyosho On Road cars here in the UK.

We have been involved (racing and supplying) 1/10 and 1/8 for many years now.
Most of our direct experience is with Serpent, but we have decided to take Kyosho under our wing for 2010 and are looking forward to the extra challenge.
I have an M3 Evo built and set up (thanks Paulie for your advice) ready to go but the weather over here has been foul for nearly 6 weeks (wet and now snow and ice). As soon as we get a dry snap then we will be testing back to back against the 966 at our local club (MMMRC.org)
Will report back as soon as we have done the testing.

Happy Christmas

Mike
Hello Mike:

I am glad to hear you are the confirmed official UK dealer for Kyosho On-Road. It has been a pleasure guiding you through your start-up kit.

Just know that even though there are other good brands that you may be selling as well, the Kyosho brand has been the On-Road 1/8th scale WORLD CHAMPION for many consecutive years now thanks in part to Mr Collari at the wheel of course. There must be somthing to be said for this.

"Others" have copied the Kyosho geometry for years to get their cars to finally work a little better. No problem...now let's race!

There is no binding in in the new plastics, no reaming new parts, no pro-tricks needed, no breaking brand-new clutch bells, no missing parts in the new kits, etc, etc.....Some other brands suggest reaming the arms in their kits so that the arms move freely... nonsense of course. Once your local racers see how easy it is to build, maintain and win races right out of the Kyosho Evolva M3 Evo box with a basic set-up, you too will begin to experience the thrill of KYOSHO winners in your area.

Good Luck and well wishes throughout 2010 and beyond!
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Hey paulie bee this i have a quick question. I have just built my m3evo with all the kyosho and empire goodies. I would like to know since the new car has more flex then the older car has should I use the carbon side stiffeners and the one piece motor mount. Thanks in advance, the car was a dream to build went together with no problems. Much better then my 966 it was missing parts,susp blinds, broken parts in the kit (etc). The parts are cheaper and stronger go figure.
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Hey paulie bee this i have a quick question. I have just built my m3evo with all the kyosho and empire goodies. I would like to know since the new car has more flex then the older car has should I use the carbon side stiffeners and the one piece motor mount. Thanks in advance, the car was a dream to build went together with no problems. Much better then my 966 it was missing parts, susp blinds, broken parts in the kit (etc). The parts are cheaper and stronger go figure.
I have found that the Evo chassis has lots of flex as well for the American treated high-bite tracks. I was traction rolling like crazy.....I have tried to use the side-stiffeners to correct the excessive front bite at the Nationals for example. It still was too much as the traction increased day by day. I do not use the one-piece motor mount.

The European tracks need the Evo chassis. It is really great on lower-bite tracks. I used the Evo chassis at the US Open in Kissimmee, Florida a couple of weeks ago and it was great. The surface is new sealer and fairly green and inconsistent. It had rained the day before we started quali's and it was to my advantage.

Use this as a "tuning" tool (M3 chassis vs. M3 Evo chassis) to your advantage as well at low-bite tracks....use the Evo Chassis.

High bite tracks... get yourself the original M3 Chassis and swap-it out when necessary.

This will give you the best of both "worlds".

Happy Holidays to you and your family!
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I have found that the Evo chassis has lots of flex as well for the American treated high-bite tracks. I was traction rolling like crazy.....I have tried to use the side-stiffeners to correct the excessive front bite at the Nationals for example. It still was too much as the traction increased day by day. I do not use the one-piece motor mount.

The European tracks need the Evo chassis. It is really great on lower-bite tracks. I used the Evo chassis at the US Open in Kissimmee, Florida a couple of weeks ago and it was great. The surface is new sealer and fairly green and inconsistent. It had rained the day before we started quali's and it was to my advantage.

Use this as a "tuning" tool (M3 chassis vs. M3 Evo chassis) to your advantage as well at low-bite tracks....use the Evo Chassis.

High bite tracks... get yourself the original M3 Chassis and swap-it out when necessary.

This will give you the best of both "worlds".

Happy Holidays to you and your family!
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Well Chistmas is now out of the way (about 10lbs heavier though) and we have decided to go down to the Mendip track tomorrow and give the Evo it's first run.
It will certainly be damp but we are goin to run it back to back with my mates 966 (he finished 8th in the UK Nationals this year so it should bve a good comparison.
This will give us an idea of it's damp/low grip performance against the 966.
I only have a Kyosho 'Dome' body cut out at the moment and am not sure what this body is like handling wise. We use the Zytek body almost exclusiveley here in the UK and before that the Central. The Zytek seems to be about the best even though it is made out of rubbish plastic!

Anyway, I'll report back later on how the testing went, and what set-ups we ended up with.

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Old 12-29-2009, 04:04 PM   #683
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Can't wait to try my M3 Evo ... unfortunately the weather in The Netherlands does not allow me ... freezing now, snow, ice rain ... brrr.

But I have the opportunity to try my new ride soon in 2 weeks time somewhere with some good track & weather conditions

@ Paulie: Many thanks for your very good and useful clear guidance setting up this beautiful new kit, I appreciate it a lot, and I learned a lot !! I'll give you my feedback after getting my first track experience. I'll keep you posted.
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Well our test was a bit inconclusive.
The day was dry but the track stayed damp for most of the day. There was also a lot of cr*p on the track as it has been flooded a couple of time during the last couple of months.
Initial testing against th 966 (both pn Micro Systems tyres) showed the Evo to be litte friendlier to drive, and we could definitely get around quicker with it.
As the track dried I decided to lower the upper rear wishbone in order to effect less camber change in corners. This seemed to make it worse though.
There were loads of other things that I wanted to try but the day ws just SO cold that we decided to call it a day aftr a couple of hours.
One thing we did find though was that NR 359 was noticeably quicker than my mate's Mega down the straight. The gearing seemed to suit Mendip very well thanks Paul.

It's bacxk to freezing and very icy weather so we'll let it warm up a bit more before our next test day.

See you later
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Hey Pauliee,

Do you use the new rear pulleys (51T/22T) and rear belt on the M3 Evo and the 25T side pulley?

Just wondering what the difference is compared to the standard M3 gearing.
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Is it a must to buy the 3d clutch for the m3 evo? Also is the 3d clutch faster than the 4d clutch, if so how? And why?. Thanks for the input.
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Any one tried this? Does it worth the money?

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I bought one and converted a brand new M3 to evo and it works great.
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Is it a must to buy the 3d clutch for the m3 evo? Also is the 3d clutch faster than the 4d clutch, if so how? And why?. Thanks for the input.
NO, it is NOT a must!
On the Serpent clutch I always fitted the small grub screws on the 'bob weights'. This combined with a slightly tighter spring gave a very secure bite to the clutch, with very little slip. My clutch shoes also seem to last longer.
The 4D (WHY do they call it that??) should give a similar feel. Both work well but there is no RIGHT one.....just what conditions call for.
Try both, I imagine that you will prefer the 4D.

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Well our test was a bit inconclusive.
The day was dry but the track stayed damp for most of the day. There was also a lot of cr*p on the track as it has been flooded a couple of time during the last couple of months.
Initial testing against th 966 (both pn Micro Systems tyres) showed the Evo to be litte friendlier to drive, and we could definitely get around quicker with it.
As the track dried I decided to lower the upper rear wishbone in order to effect less camber change in corners. This seemed to make it worse though.
There were loads of other things that I wanted to try but the day ws just SO cold that we decided to call it a day aftr a couple of hours.
One thing we did find though was that NR 359 was noticeably quicker than my mate's Mega down the straight. The gearing seemed to suit Mendip very well thanks Paul.

It's bacxk to freezing and very icy weather so we'll let it warm up a bit more before our next test day.

See you later
Mike
Any time Mike. If the track felt loose. reduce the rear upper link spacers to 2mm. Use the "B" insert for lower pins. The 359 is great for those long straights but a bit less torque that let's say the 35+21 out of the corners.

Have a great 2010! I look forward to hearing more about your experiences.
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