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Old 09-25-2007, 07:36 AM   #46
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In the 90s there was NORCA, for whatever reason they disapeared. I dont know why, I didnt race back then.
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While your last post deserves much merit, it doesn’t justify the current status of On-Road RC racing in America.
It wasn't meant to. That's another lengthy post.

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It’s not enough for a sanctioning body to just make rules, provide insurance and merely schedule events; it is the duty of any racing organization to strive for the growth, excellence and the future popularity of its sport.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:03 PM   #48
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In the 90s there was NORCA, for whatever reason they disapeared. I dont know why, I didnt race back then.
That's before my time. The Web site doesn't seem to be up anymore, but we can see part of what it looked liked around March 2005 courtesy of the archive.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/200501050....com/main.html

Maybe someone can fill us in on what happen to those guys.
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While your last post deserves much merit, it doesn’t justify the current status of On-Road RC racing in America.

As a member of RC Pro Series, we promote our sport for the benefit of our loyal racers, participating manufacturers and the very future of RC racing.

It’s not enough for a sanctioning body to just make rules, provide insurance and merely schedule events; it is the duty of any racing organization to strive for the growth, excellence and the future popularity of its sport.

It's pretty easy "promote the sport for the benefit of loyal racers" when you just borrow the rule book from the other organization without the overhead of fomulating your own rules.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:27 PM   #50
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It's pretty easy "promote the sport for the benefit of loyal racers" when you just borrow the rule book from the other organization without the overhead of fomulating your own rules.
Rules?

Rules are easy to make, it doesn’t cost anything to make a rule. Plus, having 2different sets of rules would only hurt the racers.

Is that what your beloved sanctioning body wants, to screw up RC racing in America even more?

But if you must have a difference in rules, how’s about this…the winners in RC Pro Series events get paid in cash like real racers. Is that different enough to make you happy?

Why is it that the majority of the people in America think that your RC race cars are like the toys found in Wal-Mart or Radio Shack and the can’t believe you actually race them at your age? Duh…….

That’s because of over 30 years of a lack of a promotional effort to educate the general public about RC racing has kept our sport a private little hobby hidden from the rest of society.

Facts are facts and it is what it is.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:23 PM   #51
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I just love how people like to take their shots at the establishment. Jspeed, if the establishment was so bad why is it the longest acting RC santioning body in the US?. ROAR is not to blame for the decline in on-road racing nor will it be the blame when on-road is on the incline again. The cycles we see in rc racing have to do with economics and the manufacturers. If ROAR was so bad why hasn't any other sanctioning body have the logetivity that ROAR has? Where will RC Pro be in 5 years? I know ROAR will still be here, will RC Pro? I do hope so. Having another strong sanctioning body can help but it can hurt as well. ROAR shouldn't be expected to be the saving grace of on-road rc racing. Everyoneneeds to do their part and those that are expecting a vulenteer 25 person, sanctioning body to do it all for us. It's great to see all these people take their shots and complain but what are they doing to help promote out hobby sport, NOTHING. Jspeed, you and a very small minority are the exceptions. Anyone else wishing to complain should put their money where their mouth is. When was the last time you helped your local club setup, run a race or do track maintanance?
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:34 AM   #52
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Like I said from the beginning.

It’s the duty & responsibility of ANY sanctioning body to promote ANY sport so it grows.

If RC Pro Series didn’t promote our sport to the “Outside-World”, we’d be guilty of the same complacency that has existed for too long. I’m personally getting sick & tired of hearing the same old “cycles” excuse.

In any successful industry's, promotional activities are increased during low “cycle” periods.

So if all of us want to see the popularity of RC racing increase, stop defending the same old way of doing things and get to work.

Instead of saying, “lets see if your still around as long as us”, why not think about actually scheduling an event in a Hi-Visibility location and promoting that event to attract more than just the same hard-core group?

Try doing something like that instead, making rules isn’t “Squat”, try attracting the “General Public” to an RC event and then you’ll see what real work is.

There shouldn’t be such division in America’s RC world to begin with. If the American & National Leagues didn’t work together for the common good of the sport of Baseball, it wouldn’t have ever grown up to what it is today.

So instead of defending the same old crap & flaming me for saying what our sport needs to do to grow, Get off Your Lazy Butts and Help RC Pro Promote Our Sport to the Rest of America!

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Well said Jspeed. What IS ROAR doing to promote our sport anyway?

(And notice my sig., we're a ROAR track but maybe we'll get to host a RC Pro Series race someday. )
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Well said Jspeed. What IS ROAR doing to promote our sport anyway?

(And notice my sig., we're a ROAR track but maybe we'll get to host a RC Pro Series race someday. )
Thank you!

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Try doing something like that instead, making rules isn’t “Squat”, try attracting the “General Public” to an RC event and then you’ll see what real work is.

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Well if making rules isn't squat, and so easy to do, I guess I and other RCPro members can expect a RCPro rule book in the mail when we renew our memberships. I know I receive a new updated rule book every time I renew my ROAR membership and heck I think I even have one laying around here from that other non-RC promoting organization, IFMAR. Should take no time to codify some rules up for all the classes RCPro runs, print up around 6000 or so booklets and mail them to renewing members. Looking forward and waiting at the mailbox.
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If you want to improve ROAR - why not offer to help? ROAR is, after all, our club.
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A collection of promotional materials that can be downloaded (brochures, flyers) or purchased (posters, brochures, bumper/magnetic stickers, car window stickers, t-shirts) would be very helpful. I think a lot of people that would be willing to help promote R/C may not be that talented when it comes to graphics or words - and quite honestly, you do want a consistent message across the board and acceptable standards. Also, you would want to be sure to include specific information as to where people could get more info (phone/Web site) or watch a race.

Making it easy for people to participate in the promotional process is one way to encourage people to participate.

Not being organized, as JSpeed mentioned earlier, is just one of the reasons why the sport isn't increasing.
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Not being organized, as JSpeed mentioned earlier, is just one of the reasons why the sport isn't increasing.
The members of ROAR need to be active in our organization. Ideas are great, but, unless an idea is implemented - then, nothing happens. Keyboarding is easy - take a real step forward and volunteer to help.
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The members of ROAR need to be active in our organization. Ideas are great, but, unless an idea is implemented - then, nothing happens. Keyboarding is easy - take a real step forward and volunteer to help.
Yup. Keyboarding is easy.

I created NitroKB.com to help racers and I think it is doing that. At the local level, we don't have a permanent track, so we always have to set it up every time we race. It's 254x54, so it's quite a chore to lay it down 6ft at a time (Road Rails). 8 out of 10 times, I'm helping design the track as we layout it out. I also do the final walk through after everyone has pretty much packed up, so that we don't leave any rubbish behind.

As it is, I barely have enough time to get my cars ready for a race day. Most of my time goes to my family when I'm not working. I keyboard throughout the day when I get a chance. A few minutes here and there makes it appear that I'm just sitting at the computer 24x7. Right now, I should be getting ready for work instead of typing, so that I can meeting some folks for a 8:30 meeting.

It's possible for me to put a lot more effort into promoting R/C - but that is a commitment I'm not sure that I can make. It's something I have to think about.
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YIt's possible for me to put a lot more effort into promoting R/C - but that is a commitment I'm not sure that I can make. It's something I have to think about.
It would be great if you could. You seem to have solid ideas and care about our mutual sport.

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