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Old 05-01-2003, 10:20 AM   #31
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Still trying to find the right exhaust manifold......gaskets keep on blowing out!
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BTW I think my hamster on a high complex carb. diet will spank your Richey Eagle.


Is it 3port or 5port turbo or non-turbo?lol
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:17 PM   #33
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well I've ran the richey rtu mt12...wasn't impressed. Wanted to be, tried to hard to be, wasn't. The motor had power better than stock only way up top. The biggest complaint is the engine did not hold a tune well at all. No, I'm not the best tuner, but long-time experienced racers couldn't keep the richey running good over a main. It cost me two races before I gave up on it.

I have also ran a smeltz sirio, and while it's still new (never seen a main) and not fully broken / tuned in, it has some of the same characteristics as the richey though it is stronger off the bottom. The j-tech rossi pixie so far is the fastest roar modified I've ran. It's got gobs of yank top and bottom and the thing is getting faster every time I run it. We tuned one to 260 and the thing was a rocketship. The engine has always been incredibly reliable and tunable to top it off.

All that said I agree with some others there are a bunch of folks who can make an engine scream, but far, far fewer who win/lose races because of them.
The RTU motors were putting out JP RS12 s3 type power 2 years ago. That is why they are/were so respected at the time. Now the RTUs as you pointed out are not as impressive as they were back then.

I agree about your pixi findings mine is standard is is getting quicker each time I use it. Very very nice motor.
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:34 PM   #34
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well I've ran the richey rtu mt12...wasn't impressed. Wanted to be, tried to hard to be, wasn't. The motor had power better than stock only way up top. The biggest complaint is the engine did not hold a tune well at all. No, I'm not the best tuner, but long-time experienced racers couldn't keep the richey running good over a main. It cost me two races before I gave up on it.

I have also ran a smeltz sirio, and while it's still new (never seen a main) and not fully broken / tuned in, it has some of the same characteristics as the richey though it is stronger off the bottom. The j-tech rossi pixie so far is the fastest roar modified I've ran. It's got gobs of yank top and bottom and the thing is getting faster every time I run it. We tuned one to 260 and the thing was a rocketship. The engine has always been incredibly reliable and tunable to top it off.

All that said I agree with some others there are a bunch of folks who can make an engine scream, but far, far fewer who win/lose races because of them.
I've also been very impressed with my J-Tech "hamster". Although it took quite a while to procure it, I think I may be glad I waited.
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Is it 3port or 5port turbo or non-turbo?lol
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Old 05-01-2003, 04:53 PM   #36
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people with 0.S. engines should'nt even be allowed to post on any engine forum. there Dogs.
lol WHATEVER! I think snoids shouldn't be allowed to post on any forum thread but somehow you continue to, so I suppose it's alright for me to as well.

Now, back to the more intelligent portions of the thread shall we?
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laro "people with 0.S. engines should'nt even be allowed to post on any engine forum. there Dogs."
LOL, what engine won the 1/8 off-road worlds?

as far as .12's go, the OS 12-TR is an awesome engine. on a short track it will handle any nova engine. it just doesn't have the top-end. Maybe you should check one out on a track that is tuned properly.
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Old 05-02-2003, 08:38 AM   #38
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i am not posting to bash OS engines but i have a v01b ive had problems with and i will probably never buy another OS engine

but one of the fastest onroad racers in my area uses a OS engine in his ntc3 and it flys
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Old 05-02-2003, 03:54 PM   #39
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well I've ran the richey rtu mt12...wasn't impressed. Wanted to be, tried to hard to be, wasn't. The motor had power better than stock only way up top. The biggest complaint is the engine did not hold a tune well at all. No, I'm not the best tuner, but long-time experienced racers couldn't keep the richey running good over a main.
Patella I suggest you look at The RCRCNT series points in your neck of Texas for 2002. Seems Chris Roundtree whooped everyones ass every race last year with one of those mediocre RTU's that wont hold a tune.

Seems he's doing very well this year too as is Al Gurerra, and Richard Reiger. Their running meidocre motors too.

Seems Brad Toffelmire and Tennessee Brown do real well to with those untunable motors. Just go to crystal park or revelation in california and ask.

It also seems Team Mugen UK is doing well also.

You may have run one and possibly it did not work out well for you but I chances are very good you had it in an associated car but I bet you'd never admit it. I don't know who you are, and if you had an issue evidently you never called me. It is also highly likley if you purchased it in Texas it was not a True Richey RTU.

On the other hand it was stated that the RTU is not as much of a standout as it was two yearts ago. This is an accurate statement as production motors are beginning to catch up and equalize things. This is good as my origional mission is almost complete, most of you don't understand the origional intent of the RTU and never will. It was created to flatten the field and push the manufacturers to turn loose the 3 port technology. IT DID EXACTLY THAT!

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I can vouch for the Team Mugen UK engines.

Even in Ireland their engines are being talked about and they are brewing one heck of a storm.
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Patella I suggest you look at The RCRCNT series points in your neck of Texas for 2002. Seems Chris Roundtree whooped everyones ass every race last year with one of those mediocre RTU's that wont hold a tune.

Seems he's doing very well this year too as is Al Gurerra, and Richard Reiger. Their running meidocre motors too.

Seems Brad Toffelmire and Tennessee Brown do real well to with those untunable motors. Just go to crystal park or revelation in california and ask.

It also seems Team Mugen UK is doing well also.

You may have run one and possibly it did not work out well for you but I chances are very good you had it in an associated car but I bet you'd never admit it. I don't know who you are, and if you had an issue evidently you never called me. It is also highly likley if you purchased it in Texas it was not a True Richey RTU.

On the other hand it was stated that the RTU is not as much of a standout as it was two yearts ago. This is an accurate statement as production motors are beginning to catch up and equalize things. This is good as my origional mission is almost complete, most of you don't understand the origional intent of the RTU and never will. It was created to flatten the field and push the manufacturers to turn loose the 3 port technology. IT DID EXACTLY THAT!

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No personal disrespect intended towards you Dennis. I was just stating my experience. Didn't know you still posted here.

Rountree from what I've seen is one helluva driver and would be at the front regardless of motor. However the comp in 200mm class jumped up a couple of notches this year in RCRCNT and chris has got his hands full by a few drivers with stock engines. The last track was huge, wide open str8 in San Antonio. If the richey were so much faster than stock on that track Chris would've ran away with TQ and race as good as he is. I know he was one of the top 4 or 5 but I don't think he was dominating.

In any case, like the others have posted here, there are so many variables - weather, pipe, clutch, gearing, yadda yadda, the modified motor is just one piece and with the quality of some of the stock motors only a very few will win/lose a race because of their motor. Just my .02. Again - no disrespect intended.

No ntc3 for me and the RTU I had came from ohio but I suppose it very well could have been a fake.
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In any case, like the others have posted here, there are so many variables - weather, pipe, clutch, gearing, yadda yadda, the modified motor is just one piece and with the quality of some of the stock motors only a very few will win/lose a race because of their motor. Just my .02. Again - no disrespect intended.
I don't recall that anyone here ever doubted that the other variables were important or that the driver variable was the dominant factor. Nonetheless, if you take those variables as fixed, then having a better engine will be an improvement. Would you not agree?
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Hey Dennis, glad to see you are back!!
I have my RTU and RTO running very consistant in my NTC3 now. Its took a ton of work and modifying buts its perfect for us now. When we gonna see the Gen 3? Email me . BB
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I don't recall that anyone here ever doubted that the other variables were important or that the driver variable was the dominant factor. Nonetheless, if you take those variables as fixed, then having a better engine will be an improvement. Would you not agree?
Sure I would agree. That's why I buy modified engines. Those variables are hardly ever fixed though so for most (and me too) it probably isn't that smart with the performance of some of the stockers. If the modifiers had the effect of forcing the factories to release more power and we can thank them for that - so be it.
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Has anyone ever had A$$dragger bring any constructive discussion. Seems like everytime I get on the forums and see whats going on, he's got his mouth involved in some controversy !!

With 1900 + posts on this forum, the dude needs to get a life !!!
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