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Old 09-22-2003, 07:43 AM   #9256
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OK, the things I don't like about rear blade bars:

They're invariably heavy, mounted too high and have too much "slop".
. . . but they are easy to adjust, so I'd like to be convinced.
The bar shown above is a fantom bar. I really like it since it is low CG and the fantom bar is hella stiff. Looks like a simple mod to get it to work.
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Old 09-22-2003, 07:57 AM   #9257
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In full competition most people use 57mm tires. I personally use 60mm but I suck.

You can get a lesser motor to carry the 57mm tires with the 18/22 gearing and any motor like the S3 and NS12 should be able to carry 17/21. The motor will be screaming with this gearing, but fast.
you lost me in here AMG, more powerful engine and gear down???
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Old 09-22-2003, 08:22 AM   #9258
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The bar shown above is a fantom bar. I really like it since it is low CG and the fantom bar is hella stiff. Looks like a simple mod to get it to work.
Ahhhhh . . . that's a Fantom bar - I thought it "looked" very thick. What's the diameter?
. . . I actually thought you were talking about the Fantom blade bar of some previous discussions.

Anyway, what about modding any wire bar like so . . . .
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Old 09-22-2003, 08:28 AM   #9259
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you lost me in here AMG, more powerful engine and gear down???
Run the shorter gearing and take advantage of your NS12, using all of it's 44K RPM.
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Old 09-22-2003, 11:55 AM   #9260
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Could you have a look for the bearing part numbers and more importantly the sizes/spec's. I'll see if I can russle up a few, locally.
The sizes of the bearings for Nova based engines are as follows;

Engine Shaft Bearing Front
7 x 19 x 6

Engine Shaft Bearing Inner
11 x 21 x 5

These are for the "older" Nova based engines. Not based on the newer NS12 or V12 designs.

I believe you can get these bearings at http://www.minibearings.com.au

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Old 09-22-2003, 11:57 AM   #9261
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If you get stuck with bearings let me know, I have found a good source,I just ordered 2 new ones for my Collari $35
Collari bearings are different in size than the Novas.
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Old 09-22-2003, 01:44 PM   #9262
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tl211 I am running the 24 tooth pulley kit, but was only running the standard EVO gearing on the weekend and my Rody had no problems at all. Even with the old gearing 18/22 the Rody loved it. The car was a bullet with the 18/22 but maybe just a litltle too high. ( just remember I'm not the best driver at Brendale, by a long shot ). I would like to try 17/21 or a similar combo with the 0.8 modules. I also have a question for you tommy can you use the 24 tooth kit with the higher pinions/spur combo's, is there any ill effects on top end speed let's say bogging down through the rev range or any other not so good things. Don't get me wrong I'm keen to leave it on my car. The standard gearing with the 24 tooth kit is just not quick enough to catch the like's of MK's MTX3 down the back striaght, but then again the guy could make a brick look like a Ferrari around the track. Tommy are you using the Kyosho 0.8 gears or the Mugen one. If it's possible could let me know as I like to get some more before the Nats.Finally I start the rear tyres 58 and the fronts at 57, with 4.5 rear and 4 mm front ride height.




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Run the shorter gearing and take advantage of your NS12, using all of it's 44K RPM.
Precicely. At Brendale you want to get it to hit max RPM around 10 foot before the end of the straight for maximum performance..................
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tl211 I am running the 24 tooth pulley kit, but was only running the standard EVO gearing on the weekend and my Rody had no problems at all. Even with the old gearing 18/22 the Rody loved it. The car was a bullet with the 18/22 but maybe just a litltle too high. ( just remember I'm not the best driver at Brendale, by a long shot ). I would like to try 17/21 or a similar combo with the 0.8 modules. I also have a question for you tommy can you use the 24 tooth kit with the higher pinions/spur combo's, is there any ill effects on top end speed let's say bogging down through the rev range or any other not so good things. Don't get me wrong I'm keen to leave it on my car. The standard gearing with the 24 tooth kit is just not quick enough to catch the like's of MK's MTX3 down the back striaght, but then again the guy could make a brick look like a Ferrari around the track. Tommy are you using the Kyosho 0.8 gears or the Mugen one. If it's possible could let me know as I like to get some more before the Nats.Finally I start the rear tyres 58 and the fronts at 57, with 4.5 rear and 4 mm front ride height.



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Finchy, I'm not using 0.8 module gear yet because in standard from largest gear combo still too short for moorebank. as per 24T kit 15/49,19/45 is the only go, anything other then that is just don't have enough bottom to exit the corner and top speed is unbelievable.

use the ODR program that I post. punch in some number and compare it and will tell you what's the different gearing combo. keep in mind this is just a refence so on the track test is the way to go
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I have heard of the 24 tooth pulley and I was wondering where I can get a hold of one. Does it require changing belts? How is the top end with the pulley set? Do you think the Kyosho could possibly keep up w/ the Mugen on a long straight?
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I have heard of the 24 tooth pulley and I was wondering where I can get a hold of one. Does it require changing belts? How is the top end with the pulley set? Do you think the Kyosho could possibly keep up w/ the Mugen on a long straight?
The Mugen and the V1RR has the same equal gearing and internal ratio. Using the 24T pulley conversion on the V1RR alters it's internal ratio from 2.53 to 2. You get hell of a top speed when you do this but then your bottom end suffers a little. So depending on your track, this may be counter productive.

The conversion involves changing the rear and side belts. I believe they come in a set and distributed by 3 Racing if I'm not mistaken.
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I also have a question for you tommy can you use the 24 tooth kit with the higher pinions/spur combo's, is there any ill effects on top end speed let's say bogging down through the rev range or any other not so good things. Don't get me wrong I'm keen to leave it on my car. The standard gearing with the 24 tooth kit is just not quick enough to catch the like's of MK's MTX3 down the back striaght, but then again the guy could make a brick look like a Ferrari around the track.
The 24T pulley conversion only allows you to reach a higher top speed if the length of the track permits. Bottom end will suffer a little. So you need to set the clutch a little different to compensate for this. Whether you or your competitor will pull each other away on the back straight would depend heavily on the engine's powerband characteristics, gearing and tire rollout. If yours is a high end biased engine, gearing down (using smaller pinion / bigger spurs or using smaller tires) will give you the advantage. If your engine is low end biased, then you can gear much higher (bigger pinion / smaller spur, bigger tires) to take advantage of it.

You need to check what your gearing is your competitor using. Together with the understanding of your own engine's powerband characteristics, match your pinion / spur gearing plus tire rollout accordingly on your 24T converted car.

Then it's all up to the engine to rip it up. And yes, driver skills too !
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Old 09-23-2003, 12:51 AM   #9268
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Finchy, I'm not using 0.8 module gear yet because in standard from largest gear combo still too short for moorebank. as per 24T kit 15/49,19/45 is the only go, anything other then that is just don't have enough bottom to exit the corner and top speed is unbelievable.

use the ODR program that I post. punch in some number and compare it and will tell you what's the different gearing combo. keep in mind this is just a refence so on the track test is the way to go
At Brendale the fast mugen guys use the top gearing which is similar to the V1R top gearing. There should be no need for the 24t pulley (unless you cant get .8 module gears ).

That day with my RTU finchy I was running 17/21 with 60mm tires and it was pulling pretty hard down the straight right??
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The sizes of the bearings for Nova based engines are as follows;

Engine Shaft Bearing Front
17 x 19 x 6

Engine Shaft Bearing Inner
11 x 21 x 5

These are for the "older" Nova based engines. Not based on the newer NS12 or V12 designs.

I believe you can get these bearings at http://www.minibearings.com.au
Thanks InitialD,
I am aware of "minibearings" and their pricing seems like the usual arm and leg stuff - I am prepared to pay just the arm.
The last specialist bearing I purchased was at a saving of AU$234.00.

Anyone got any clues as to the appropriate ABEC rating for Nova rear bearings? I was told ABEC 3 or 4 was right and that ABEC 5 may be too tight a tolerance?
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Old 09-23-2003, 04:42 AM   #9270
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Didn't you say that you tried a No. 11 Servo saver or something?
I was wondering about the effects. I'm presuming that if they are longer, we would get better steering on a short tight track, yeah?

Actually, I haven't even measured the differences between the option ones to discover what they might bring to the table.
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