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Old 11-18-2001, 01:30 AM   #586
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stiffer means that in comparison. if you are breaking lose (soft) at your rear end you will probably hitting your rear end at corner and spin. stiffen up the rear will prevent the rear from hitting the ground.
Further to that AMG, r u racing at Brendale?

Check the tyre wear on your rear tyres. Is it wearing evenly?
Too much camber and too little camber will both result in lose of traction.

Also, what rear diff oil r u running? Try dropping down as this will increase your traction around bends.
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Old 11-18-2001, 01:34 AM   #587
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Well I should not be striking the ground because I am using the uplimiters. Ok well how can I get my back end to stick more??

I can use toe in but it is 3 degrees now
Camber is 3 degrees
I use both upper links for the camber linkage
I am using the top hole for the bottom shock mount
Normal spings
Normal oil

This guy seems to get on throttle earlier than me and it sticks. I am thinking it is the Lola shell.........
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Well I should not be striking the ground because I am using the uplimiters. Ok well how can I get my back end to stick more??

I can use toe in but it is 3 degrees now
Camber is 3 degrees
I use both upper links for the camber linkage
I am using the top hole for the bottom shock mount
Normal spings
Normal oil

This guy seems to get on throttle earlier than me and it sticks. I am thinking it is the Lola shell.........
If anything, the Lola body makes your backend stick and front understeer.

Try a more progressive rear (ie, lay down your rear shocks to the most horizontal).

Also, get rid of the uplimiters. Sounds like these are limiting your shock movement too much. Set them to zero until you get the problem sorted out, then set them back.
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Old 11-18-2001, 01:48 AM   #589
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Further to that AMG, r u racing at Brendale?

Check the tyre wear on your rear tyres. Is it wearing evenly?
Too much camber and too little camber will both result in lose of traction.

Also, what rear diff oil r u running? Try dropping down as this will increase your traction around bends.
I run 3 degrees rear camber. The track I am trying to get a setting on is not Brendale. I am happy with my Brendale setup right now. This track has no traction compound and actually is quite slick. The tires seem to wear fairly evenly across the surface I will go and look. I guess I can drop some camber some and see what happens

Rear oil is a combo of 50000 and 500 50-50% mix. So I guess mayby 5000-10000 wt. I might try some 10000 and put less in there as it seems a little tight mayby.

Thanks for the tips!!
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I run 3 degrees rear camber. The track I am trying to get a setting on is not Brendale. I am happy with my Brendale setup right now. This track has no traction compound and actually is quite slick. The tires seem to wear fairly evenly across the surface I will go and look. I guess I can drop some camber some and see what happens

Rear oil is a combo of 50000 and 500 50-50% mix. So I guess mayby 5000-10000 wt. I might try some 10000 and put less in there as it seems a little tight mayby.

Thanks for the tips!!
Compress the rear suspension and check the rear camber when you run a soft setting.
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Compress the rear suspension and check the rear camber when you run a soft setting.
I don't get it?
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Well I should not be striking the ground because I am using the uplimiters. Ok well how can I get my back end to stick more??

I can use toe in but it is 3 degrees now
Camber is 3 degrees
I use both upper links for the camber linkage
I am using the top hole for the bottom shock mount
Normal spings
Normal oil

This guy seems to get on throttle earlier than me and it sticks. I am thinking it is the Lola shell.........
3 degree rear camber seems too much even for foam tire !!!!!! try to reduce it to 1' and put on a rear sway bar.
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I don't get it?
Think about it.
If your running a soft rear, everytime you hammer it out of corners, all the weight will shift to the rear end. 3 degree camber measured when the car is on the bench, could actually mean 4,5,6 degree camber when the rear is compressed.

Running a stiffer rear end will not change the rear camber when racing. When your running soft, the only time your rear will actually be 3 degree is when braking. Most other times it will be more.
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If anything, the Lola body makes your backend stick and front understeer.

Try a more progressive rear (ie, lay down your rear shocks to the most horizontal).

Also, get rid of the uplimiters. Sounds like these are limiting your shock movement too much. Set them to zero until you get the problem sorted out, then set them back.
actually the lola body gives you very good front and rear downforce. sometimes the front down force is good enough to make your rear end lose !!
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actually the lola body gives you very good front and rear downforce. sometimes the front down force is good enough to make your rear end lose !!
Moon, I found because the rear wing is so high, it gives more downforce to the rear then the front.
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Moon, I found because the rear wing is so high, it gives more downforce to the rear then the front.
yes it is. some of the people even add lexan wing to the rear end to obtain high rear downforce.
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Think about it.
If your running a soft rear, everytime you hammer it out of corners, all the weight will shift to the rear end. 3 degree camber measured when the car is on the bench, could actually mean 4,5,6 degree camber when the rear is compressed.

Running a stiffer rear end will not change the rear camber when racing. When your running soft, the only time your rear will actually be 3 degree is when braking. Most other times it will be more.
Now I get it. Sounds good, I will try that out.
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How much difference dows the Lola body make? Would it make an oversteering car into a neutral car just with the body?
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yes it is. some of the people even add lexan wing to the rear end to obtain high rear downforce.
No doubt it adds to the rear downward force...but the compromise is that it'll give a lesser steering...
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How much difference dows the Lola body make? Would it make an oversteering car into a neutral car just with the body?
the Lola is a very neutral body but it gives you much much better overall downforce
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