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Old 01-01-2003, 09:24 PM   #5611
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I still have that setup on a car - I put it on the car I rebuilt from Diva actually. The car carries plenty speed in the sweeper but it requires lots of attention to stay fast in the tight stuff as the azz end will come around quick with any sudden steering input. I don't however have many laps experimenting with it so It's going to be the candidate for the camber link mods.

Are you still running the negative diff in that car?
Yep the back end is a problem with mine as well. The things which I have found which helped are:

- Softer rear springs/remove swaybar (try gold springs)
- More camber, try 4 degrees and maximum camber change (or the rear camber mod)
- less caster
- less rear droop

Negative diff is gone now. I have returned my car back to almost stock. I use the graphite top deck, low cg tank, aaa battery, side stiffener for rear exhaust, low cg engine mounts and Mugen clutch. Rest is stock now.

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Old 01-01-2003, 09:46 PM   #5612
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[i]Softer rear springs/remove swaybar
- More camber, try 4 degrees and maximum camber change (or the rear camber mod)

Negative diff is gone now. I have returned my car back to almost stock. I use the graphite top deck, low cg tank, aaa battery, side stiffener for rear exhaust, low cg engine mounts and Mugen clutch. Rest is stock now. [/B]
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Just wondering what track did you run yours in QLD???

I ran my one at Moorebank and I can flat stick though the sweeper with soft suspension setup without rear end lose but a bit slow when switching direction in the esse, where I lose about 0.3s to the MTX3.
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Old 01-01-2003, 09:48 PM   #5613
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Manti I think is using the same spring combo as me, fantom yellow front and rear, the 1.8mm thick coil. This combo is incredible, you will be stunned at how the car handles. It requires a lot of concentration to drive, many people tell me my car is taily, but if you can control the car with the throttle it is the ticket.
OK, great, thanks.
I'm a bit confused though - your previous post said "I like the fantom yellows and greens for springs."
Are you saying that yellow front and rear is the go?


I'm guessing this is going to be somewhat harder than the kit Gold springs ant that's the area I want to experiment with. "Tailiness" we can handle, I reckon - I'm not really unhappy with our existing set-up but am looking for improvements getting out of corners, hence my tinkering with rear camber and adding weight to the Neg. diff clutch shoes etc.
Lilydale for the Vic's will have plenty of grip, and my theory says to tie it down tight and get that rear camber change happening in a smaller suspension movement. Comment welcome.
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Old 01-01-2003, 09:59 PM   #5614
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I lowered the steering servo so it just sit s just off the front lay shaft ..
then just moved the balls on the servo saver from bottom to top steering arms are just about the same angle as original..
Of course - gee I'm a dill. That's exactly what I used to do with the Neo's.
My servo is already under the top deck, but moving the balls will get it down another 10mm, I'd reckon.
Dr Dremel can take care of the slight clearence issue with the mid shaft block.

Thanks for jogging my brain fade, chippy.
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Our racing season starts at the end of January with the Victorian titles in February.

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I thought the Vic's is on 26 Jan 03????

BTW the spring I got is from Bartman.
Thanks, tl2111
Gawd, I did it again - I think I must have had a "senior's moment"


Yes, the Vic's are on Australia Day weekend, 25th - 27th January.
I was looking at the 1/5th titles which are in February.

So who's Bartman?
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I wen't to track to day to turn some laps before Big race on Sun.
I myself witnessed 3 brand new MTX3s and I was not that impressed

These people who had them are capapble drivers and are not new. seemed to me the car would not stick and was all over the place.

The track was untreated and was some what dusty, but my R was holding its line a hole lot better, gonna have to wait and see, what happens SUN if there are any people who show up with one.

I myself will stick with the R

Other thing I noticed was I got some Nitro Shoes to try out and didnt realise when I got them that the front tire width is 28mm,
I cut them down to 26 so they dont rub.
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Old 01-01-2003, 10:33 PM   #5617
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Manti that looks awesome!!!!!!!

So far we need the MTX3 hub, and the MTX3 dogbone. Can we adapt the V1R outdrive and hexes with different size bearing or do we need the whole MTX3 rear end?
Also, Manti,
What is the length of the camber link on the "MoneR".
It's going to be shorter than the stock VoneR, isn't it?

We'll also need the balls for the top of the upright, yeah?
Probably also need a Mugen camber link, presuming it's shorter.
Will the VoneR pillow balls fit the Mugen upright? - I'd just like to retain the Titanium/Teflon ones if possible.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99% sure the balls are the same size....

I do know the serpent ones are a little smaller in diameter
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Gawd, I did it again - I think I must have had a "senior's moment"


Yes, the Vic's are on Australia Day weekend, 25th - 27th January.
I was looking at the 1/5th titles which are in February.

So who's Bartman?
Bartman=Rick Bartalozzzzz
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Old 01-01-2003, 11:13 PM   #5620
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Just wondering what track did you run yours in QLD???

I ran my one at Moorebank and I can flat stick though the sweeper with soft suspension setup without rear end lose but a bit slow when switching direction in the esse, where I lose about 0.3s to the MTX3.
Two tracks I tested at. One is Meakin Park a smaller parking lot style track and the other is Brendale, a Moorebank style track.

The main reason I like the fantom greens and yellows (I use them paired normally but feel free to play!) is I find that 80% of the direction change loss to the MTX3 comes from too soft springs. Soft springs = more roll = less transition speed. But as you stiffen the springs (I do it equally) your car loses overall traction. This is felt in the rear first by most people.

The other 20% again in my opinion is due to the lower cg of the Mugen.
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Old 01-01-2003, 11:16 PM   #5621
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I wen't to track to day to turn some laps before Big race on Sun.
I myself witnessed 3 brand new MTX3s and I was not that impressed

These people who had them are capapble drivers and are not new. seemed to me the car would not stick and was all over the place.

The track was untreated and was some what dusty, but my R was holding its line a hole lot better, gonna have to wait and see, what happens SUN if there are any people who show up with one.

I myself will stick with the R
Thank gawd for you, HAG.
Actually, I think the MTX-3 may well be a better car - slightly.
Will it make my driver (13 year old son) any quicker? - probably not.
Will he go faster with the AMG/Manti "MoneR" mod's? - if they work, probably yes.
Why? - because we have a lot of development time, experience and effort tied up in the VoneR.

I've watched (boy do I watch) a couple of the top guys down here struggle with the understeer of the MTX-3 box set-up. They've made some good headway with their development and undoubtedly will continue to do so.

We have the Vic's on in 4 weeks and the last thing I need is to sort a brand new car. I reckon I can make the MoneR mod's work in that time, though.
After the last year's Vic's we figured we needed three seconds per lap to get into the pointy end of the field for this year. Well, we got about 2.5 seconds of it, but didn't count on the top guys finding another second or so, also. - drat.
Besides, as I said, I've already bought five cars this year, and that's enough - ouch.

And here's another opportunity to repeat my creed:

Most of the differences between cars is at the transmitter end, not the receiver end.

So, what's the go with these Nitro Shoes - Japanese rubber, are they?

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OK, great, thanks.
I'm a bit confused though - your previous post said "I like the fantom yellows and greens for springs."
Are you saying that yellow front and rear is the go?


I'm guessing this is going to be somewhat harder than the kit Gold springs ant that's the area I want to experiment with. "Tailiness" we can handle, I reckon - I'm not really unhappy with our existing set-up but am looking for improvements getting out of corners, hence my tinkering with rear camber and adding weight to the Neg. diff clutch shoes etc.
Lilydale for the Vic's will have plenty of grip, and my theory says to tie it down tight and get that rear camber change happening in a smaller suspension movement. Comment welcome.
I used yellow all around and I have used green all around as well.

All I am saying is that in my opinion I find the Kyosho is too stable. Ie it is damn easy to drive but is sluggish and unresponsive (relatively). Add some stiffness (feel the MTX3 springs they are quite hard) for a more responsive but less tractive car.
I personally found more turnin, better corner stability and better out of corner speed with the yellows. But the rear gets loose off power much easier, solution stay on power! Or brake I guess.
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Also, Manti,
What is the length of the camber link on the "MoneR".
It's going to be shorter than the stock VoneR, isn't it?

We'll also need the balls for the top of the upright, yeah?
Probably also need a Mugen camber link, presuming it's shorter.
Will the VoneR pillow balls fit the Mugen upright? - I'd just like to retain the Titanium/Teflon ones if possible.
seem like it is a direct fit to the mugen hub. but yet to set up suspension and I will see.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99% sure the balls are the same size....

I do know the serpent ones are a little smaller in diameter
no, the mugen pivot ball is a bit smaller in diameter
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I wen't to track to day to turn some laps before Big race on Sun.
I myself witnessed 3 brand new MTX3s and I was not that impressed

These people who had them are capapble drivers and are not new. seemed to me the car would not stick and was all over the place.

The track was untreated and was some what dusty, but my R was holding its line a hole lot better, gonna have to wait and see, what happens SUN if there are any people who show up with one.

I myself will stick with the R

Other thing I noticed was I got some Nitro Shoes to try out and didnt realise when I got them that the front tire width is 28mm,
I cut them down to 26 so they dont rub.
Well thats good to hear HAG! On many of our local tracks MTX3s have been breaking lap records, but I am beginning to think it is because people are upgrading from older cars. Serpent and Yokomo to be precice. The MTX3 is hands down better than these cars. The more I am doing to the Kyosho to make it like the Mugen (copycat?) the more it is performing well.
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