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Old 12-31-2002, 08:58 PM   #5566
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what you see on the pics are

mtx3 rear upright
mtx3 pivot balls
mtx3 or v1rr pivot nut
V1R rear arm

what you need to complete the rear axle
bearings for mtx3 hub
axle outdrive for mtx3 rear hub
dog bone for either mtx2, mtx3 and V1RR which ever fit
wheel hex for mtx3
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Old 12-31-2002, 10:31 PM   #5567
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Originally posted by Manticore
what you see on the pics are

mtx3 rear upright
mtx3 pivot balls
mtx3 or v1rr pivot nut
V1R rear arm

what you need to complete the rear axle
bearings for mtx3 hub
axle outdrive for mtx3 rear hub
dog bone for either mtx2, mtx3 and V1RR which ever fit
wheel hex for mtx3
Hi Manti - looks like you don't have that hangover, eh.

Very interesting pic's - thank you. It looks like those parts were made for each other.

The MTX-3 upright appears fairly short in the pic.
Is the position of the upper link higher than on the VoneR? upright - that's what we are trying to achieve.
Is the MTX-3 upper link longer than the VoneR?
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Old 12-31-2002, 10:49 PM   #5568
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Originally posted by Wolf
FYI,

Kyosho springs:

Front

1.7 Bright Red [Fantom]
1.8 Yellow
1.9 Pale Green
2.0 Dark Green

1.7 2.5t Gold [VoneRR]
1.7 3.0t Black - kit standard
1.7 3.5t Silver

1.8 4.5t Red [???]
1.9 4.5t Blue


Rear

1.8 Yellow [Fantom]
1.9 Pale Green

1.6 3.5t Gold [VoneRR]
1.6 4.0t Black - kit standard
1.6 4.5t Silver
Thanks, Wolf.
Do you have the wire diameter for the Fantom springs so we can make some comparisons?
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Old 12-31-2002, 10:58 PM   #5569
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Hi Manti - looks like you don't have that hangover, eh.

Very interesting pic's - thank you. It looks like those parts were made for each other.

The MTX-3 upright appears fairly short in the pic.
Is the position of the upper link higher than on the VoneR? upright - that's what we are trying to achieve.
Is the MTX-3 upper link longer than the VoneR?
the design of the mugen hub is to let you to decide your camber link angle with different thickness of spacers so it doesnt matter on the actual height of the hub.
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Old 12-31-2002, 11:11 PM   #5570
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the design of the mugen hub is to let you to decide your camber link angle with different thickness of spacers so it doesnt matter on the actual height of the hub.
Agreed.

What is the "centre to centre" length of the MTX-3 camber link, please?
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Old 12-31-2002, 11:22 PM   #5571
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Agreed.

What is the "centre to centre" length of the MTX-3 camber link, please?
it wont apply to V1RR as the inner point of attachment are differenet
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before you guys do that mod you need to understand the mugen hub has different measurement and that will affect the other aspect of the suspension geometry
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Old 12-31-2002, 11:38 PM   #5573
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before you guys do that mod you need to understand the mugen hub has different measurement and that will affect the other aspect of the suspension geometry
Yes, understood.
I'm trying to ascertain the length of the Mugen camber link because it may be quite a lot longer than the VoneR one.

I realise there are likely to be quite a few other geometry differences, but this is likely to be a significant one given that the MTX-3 "appears" to have narrow spaced bulkheads.

Welcome your input.

By the way, have you tried this mod yourself?
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Old 12-31-2002, 11:46 PM   #5574
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Yes, understood.
I'm trying to ascertain the length of the Mugen camber link because it may be quite a lot longer than the VoneR one.

I realise there are likely to be quite a few other geometry differences, but this is likely to be a significant one given that the MTX-3 "appears" to have narrow spaced bulkheads.

Welcome your input.

By the way, have you tried this mod yourself?
not yet but no harm to try it as I have majority of the parts on hand for testing
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if i did that to my car i could call it a v1mtflex lol
good work manti i want to know how it works on the track
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not yet but no harm to try it as I have majority of the parts on hand for testing
If it works really well, you might want to sell your MTX-3.

Seriously though, are you able to measure the Mugen camber link length, please.
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If it works really well, you might want to sell your MTX-3.

Seriously though, are you able to measure the Mugen camber link length, please.
approx 34 mm centre to centre
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That will vary depending on camber and mounting position....


I measures the standard inside mounting point on the mtx3.....

approx 40mm from top of chassis plate and 24 to 28mm from the center line
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approx 34 mm centre to centre
Thanks, Manticore.

Now here's the surprise . . . My VoneR link is approx 40mm centre to centre.

What was I saying about the MTX-3 being "narrow gutted".
It looks like I need to take ALL the measurements off my friends MTX-3.
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That will vary depending on camber and mounting position....

I measures the standard inside mounting point on the mtx3.....

approx 40mm from top of chassis plate and 24 to 28mm from the center line
Hmmm . .
That point on the VoneR is approx:
37mm from top of chassis plate and 26mm from the center line.

So, in very rough terms, the MTX-3 and the VoneR have similar inner mounting points and in fact the Mugen's is higher.
Given the same 200mm track, the Mugen uprights must be largely responsible for the short camber link.

Presuming the Mugen's lower arm pins are about 4mm above the chassis like the VoneR and they are spaced approx 40mm apart, the geometry should be similar in this area. I don't imagine the pivot ball to axle distance will vary greatly.
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