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Old 04-18-2003, 08:03 PM   #1
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which nitro sedan should i get? mtx3, kyosho v one rr, ntc3, yokomo gt4... etc, it will be my first nitro car
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WOW u must have alot of money to be looking at those cars

if its your first get a RTR NTC3 + a 2-speed

or if you have a radio get a
V one R + cv-r + box starter
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dont listen to that guy, if you have the money you always want the best because youll get somthing cheap then when u get better youll want somthing better, so why waste time. Get the Nitro TC3 kit, As for engine get a Mugen/Novarossi MR-12 and the new RD LOGICS 1 piece pipe. No matter how good the other belt cars are, there still belts!. and parts and hop ups are very cheap unlike the other brand (mugen), good luck!
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yes you do want the best, but not if its ur first, and the mugen doesnt have good instructions and he needs to save up for tires and tuning parts

trust me you dont wana get a mugen if its ur first

and tires cost alot

and if you have never tuned and engine before, good luck with the MR-12
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dont listen to that guy, if you have the money you always want the best because youll get somthing cheap then when u get better youll want somthing better, so why waste time. Get the Nitro TC3 kit, As for engine get a Mugen/Novarossi MR-12 and the new RD LOGICS 1 piece pipe. No matter how good the other belt cars are, there still belts!. and parts and hop ups are very cheap unlike the other brand (mugen), good luck!
why would you suggest a high perfomance engine like that to a person that is just getting into nitro R/C
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i heard the ntc3 breaks easily?... but i dunno about the rtr part... i really wanna build it. I had an electric tc3

hmmm v one r
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Are you going to be racing this car or not?

In my opinion (and a lot of other people's too!) the V-One S is one of the best all round (racing & 'social') cars out there! The performance can be awesome... even with the kit engine! I've seen some V-One S's that were almost matching (about 2 seconds a lap down) it with the pro cars and all they had were a 2-speed and the Kyosho tuned pipe, and they were using rubber tyres! They are also bloody tough! I've never broken anything and I've had a few bad crashes ! The parts quality and fit is exceptional too!

Think seriously about this and don't just go out straight away and buy the top of the line car & engine when you haven't even owned a nitro before. I learnt this myself... I thought to myself 'how hard can it be, they're only model cars?!' Then I realised I'd made the right choice in not going for an all-out racer from the beginning and I was happy I did!

I stand by what I've just said and if anyone disagrees then by all means give a few GOOD reasons why!
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Are you going to be racing this car or not?

In my opinion (and a lot of other people's too!) the V-One S is one of the best all round (racing & 'social') cars out there! The performance can be awesome... even with the kit engine! I've seen some V-One S's that were almost matching (about 2 seconds a lap down) it with the pro cars and all they had were a 2-speed and the Kyosho tuned pipe, and they were using rubber tyres! They are also bloody tough! I've never broken anything and I've had a few bad crashes ! The parts quality and fit is exceptional too!

Think seriously about this and don't just go out straight away and buy the top of the line car & engine when you haven't even owned a nitro before. I learnt this myself... I thought to myself 'how hard can it be, they're only model cars?!' Then I realised I'd made the right choice in not going for an all-out racer from the beginning and I was happy I did!

I stand by what I've just said and if anyone disagrees then by all means give a few GOOD reasons why!
I agree, there's this guy at our track that just whoops everyone's ass with a V one S. It is probably a good car to start with.

But you can only go so far in terms of adjusting, settings, etc with the V one S. Probably once you are more exprienced and have more money, you can upgrade to a better car...
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yes you do want the best, but not if its ur first, and the mugen doesnt have good instructions and he needs to save up for tires and tuning parts

trust me you dont wana get a mugen if its ur first and tires cost alot
SO WHAT!!!!

Haven't heard ever a more biased opinion about a car, let's make things clear and straight, because many of yours suffer about fanatism.

First: Let's take the price approach to those two cars, prices taken from speedtechrc:

NTC3 Rear exhaust: 264.99 US$
Mugen w/ MR12: 519.99 US$

1. Roll bars:
- NTC3: Needs to be added as an option 34.99 US$ front plus 7.50 US$ the rear. Subtotal: 42.49 US$.
- Mugen: Come with the front and rear: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
2. Pipe:
- NTC3: Comes with the crappy one chamber, if you're serious you'll go for the two chamber instead: 39.99 US$ or 49.99 US$ for the 'cheap' RDlogics one (not turbo).
- MTX3: Needs a pipe and a manifold: Novarossi 52624 'One-piece unit' Subtotal: 69.99 US$
3. Front one-way diff:
- NTC3: Comes with a ball diff, if you run foams
you'll need it: 53.99 US$
- MTX3: Comes with a front one-way: 0.00 US$
In fact you'll want to run rubbers with those car, you'll only need to buy the outdrives and the inner gears, kit comes with the front diff housing and for less than 20 US$ you can get the 3 bags to make the front diff.
4. Engine:
- NTC3: Doesn't come with. Put a Mugen MR12. Subtotal: 166.99
- MTX3: Came with a MR12 like the one we put on the NTC3: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
5. 'Hop-ups' for racing:
- NTC3:
Steering bearings: 10.99 US$
Stiffer servo saver spring (#6587): About 2.50 US$ - Don't have listed.
Harder clutch springs: 2.49 US$.
- MTX3:
Front CVD's: Really needed. 31.99 US$
6. Tyres:
- NTC3: Come with a crappy set of Proline Rage who lasts for less than break-in the engine, later you need to buy foams... How about a Jaco 40sh for front & Rear? : Add 31.49 US$ more.
- MTX3: Come with a foams set: Subtotal 0.00 US$

Total cost of an NTC3 'Race Ready': 625.92 US$
Total cost of an MTX3 'Race Ready': 621.97 US$

Don't think for more than 1/1000th of a second: Yeah, a mugen fanatic... Have the two cars, and I accumulated more than 200 hours of running time into an NTC3 car and I know perfectly of what I'm talking.

With a Mugen you've a steady car to race on a National event (see the cars that raced Kenji Osaka, Robbie Collins and Tim Long at the Winternats: Purely stock without bells & wistles), talk to Barry about racing the NTC3 as goes purely out of the box.

You haven't seen ever an MTX3 nor haven't stayed near of one by the fact you state that is needed to save for hop-ups on the MTX3. Do you know why about the boom of hop-ups for the MTX3 you'll see? ONLY EYE CANDY.

MTX3 isn't just a car for newbies by the fact that the manual isn't very much informative, but enough for everyone that has a grasp on how to assemble a car looking at the diagrams and don't need help doing setups of a car (BTW: The stock setup of the MTX3 is almost perfect for all around, how is the stock setup of the NTC3? let me tell you: Needs a lot of improvement. Easy to drive, not good on the laps).

And in fact, if you see we don't spend on Carbon Fiber, titanium nor other 'noble materials', we spend on Aluminium to make most of the cars up to the legal weight (how much you may need to spend to have a 1720 grams NTC3 as the MTX3 I aligned at the last race? let me tell you: Many dollars on lightweight transmission parts, CF radio tray, Aluminium screw set and much more).

Next time you'll do a comparation, please get well informed.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Corse-R
SO WHAT!!!!

Haven't heard ever a more biased opinion about a car, let's make things clear and straight, because many of yours suffer about fanatism.

First: Let's take the price approach to those two cars, prices taken from speedtechrc:

NTC3 Rear exhaust: 264.99 US$
Mugen w/ MR12: 519.99 US$

1. Roll bars:
- NTC3: Needs to be added as an option 34.99 US$ front plus 7.50 US$ the rear. Subtotal: 42.49 US$.
- Mugen: Come with the front and rear: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
2. Pipe:
- NTC3: Comes with the crappy one chamber, if you're serious you'll go for the two chamber instead: 39.99 US$ or 49.99 US$ for the 'cheap' RDlogics one (not turbo).
- MTX3: Needs a pipe and a manifold: Novarossi 52624 'One-piece unit' Subtotal: 69.99 US$
3. Front one-way diff:
- NTC3: Comes with a ball diff, if you run foams
you'll need it: 53.99 US$
- MTX3: Comes with a front one-way: 0.00 US$
In fact you'll want to run rubbers with those car, you'll only need to buy the outdrives and the inner gears, kit comes with the front diff housing and for less than 20 US$ you can get the 3 bags to make the front diff.
4. Engine:
- NTC3: Doesn't come with. Put a Mugen MR12. Subtotal: 166.99
- MTX3: Came with a MR12 like the one we put on the NTC3: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
5. 'Hop-ups' for racing:
- NTC3:
Steering bearings: 10.99 US$
Stiffer servo saver spring (#6587): About 2.50 US$ - Don't have listed.
Harder clutch springs: 2.49 US$.
- MTX3:
Front CVD's: Really needed. 31.99 US$
6. Tyres:
- NTC3: Come with a crappy set of Proline Rage who lasts for less than break-in the engine, later you need to buy foams... How about a Jaco 40sh for front & Rear? : Add 31.49 US$ more.
- MTX3: Come with a foams set: Subtotal 0.00 US$

Total cost of an NTC3 'Race Ready': 625.92 US$
Total cost of an MTX3 'Race Ready': 621.97 US$

Don't think for more than 1/1000th of a second: Yeah, a mugen fanatic... Have the two cars, and I accumulated more than 200 hours of running time into an NTC3 car and I know perfectly of what I'm talking.

With a Mugen you've a steady car to race on a National event (see the cars that raced Kenji Osaka, Robbie Collins and Tim Long at the Winternats: Purely stock without bells & wistles), talk to Barry about racing the NTC3 as goes purely out of the box.

You haven't seen ever an MTX3 nor haven't stayed near of one by the fact you state that is needed to save for hop-ups on the MTX3. Do you know why about the boom of hop-ups for the MTX3 you'll see? ONLY EYE CANDY.

MTX3 isn't just a car for newbies by the fact that the manual isn't very much informative, but enough for everyone that has a grasp on how to assemble a car looking at the diagrams and don't need help doing setups of a car (BTW: The stock setup of the MTX3 is almost perfect for all around, how is the stock setup of the NTC3? let me tell you: Needs a lot of improvement. Easy to drive, not good on the laps).

And in fact, if you see we don't spend on Carbon Fiber, titanium nor other 'noble materials', we spend on Aluminium to make most of the cars up to the legal weight (how much you may need to spend to have a 1720 grams NTC3 as the MTX3 I aligned at the last race? let me tell you: Many dollars on lightweight transmission parts, CF radio tray, Aluminium screw set and much more).

Next time you'll do a comparation, please get well informed.
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And besides.... do you realy want a shaft driven piece of crap?
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And besides.... do you realy want a shaft driven piece of crap?
definitely no no no no !!! why you need to pay 600+ for a crap ?
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Keep in mind that he is a newbie to the hobby which means he is going to be playin around an a parking lot somewhere. Do you really think he want's to get pebble's stuck in his drive belt all the time?

If he get's serious about it and races a bunch, then he is going to have more than one car any way. All you racers out there know you haven't stuck to one car... If he get's addicted, he's just going to keep buying as much sh't as he can.

My point is if he's going to be bashing then does he really need the frustration of his belt locking up from getting pebbles stuck?
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man, this is tough
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Originally posted by Corse-R
SO WHAT!!!!

Haven't heard ever a more biased opinion about a car, let's make things clear and straight, because many of yours suffer about fanatism.

First: Let's take the price approach to those two cars, prices taken from speedtechrc:

NTC3 Rear exhaust: 264.99 US$
Mugen w/ MR12: 519.99 US$

1. Roll bars:
- NTC3: Needs to be added as an option 34.99 US$ front plus 7.50 US$ the rear. Subtotal: 42.49 US$.
- Mugen: Come with the front and rear: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
2. Pipe:
- NTC3: Comes with the crappy one chamber, if you're serious you'll go for the two chamber instead: 39.99 US$ or 49.99 US$ for the 'cheap' RDlogics one (not turbo).
- MTX3: Needs a pipe and a manifold: Novarossi 52624 'One-piece unit' Subtotal: 69.99 US$
3. Front one-way diff:
- NTC3: Comes with a ball diff, if you run foams
you'll need it: 53.99 US$
- MTX3: Comes with a front one-way: 0.00 US$
In fact you'll want to run rubbers with those car, you'll only need to buy the outdrives and the inner gears, kit comes with the front diff housing and for less than 20 US$ you can get the 3 bags to make the front diff.
4. Engine:
- NTC3: Doesn't come with. Put a Mugen MR12. Subtotal: 166.99
- MTX3: Came with a MR12 like the one we put on the NTC3: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
5. 'Hop-ups' for racing:
- NTC3:
Steering bearings: 10.99 US$
Stiffer servo saver spring (#6587): About 2.50 US$ - Don't have listed.
Harder clutch springs: 2.49 US$.
- MTX3:
Front CVD's: Really needed. 31.99 US$
6. Tyres:
- NTC3: Come with a crappy set of Proline Rage who lasts for less than break-in the engine, later you need to buy foams... How about a Jaco 40sh for front & Rear? : Add 31.49 US$ more.
- MTX3: Come with a foams set: Subtotal 0.00 US$

Total cost of an NTC3 'Race Ready': 625.92 US$
Total cost of an MTX3 'Race Ready': 621.97 US$

Don't think for more than 1/1000th of a second: Yeah, a mugen fanatic... Have the two cars, and I accumulated more than 200 hours of running time into an NTC3 car and I know perfectly of what I'm talking.

With a Mugen you've a steady car to race on a National event (see the cars that raced Kenji Osaka, Robbie Collins and Tim Long at the Winternats: Purely stock without bells & wistles), talk to Barry about racing the NTC3 as goes purely out of the box.

You haven't seen ever an MTX3 nor haven't stayed near of one by the fact you state that is needed to save for hop-ups on the MTX3. Do you know why about the boom of hop-ups for the MTX3 you'll see? ONLY EYE CANDY.

MTX3 isn't just a car for newbies by the fact that the manual isn't very much informative, but enough for everyone that has a grasp on how to assemble a car looking at the diagrams and don't need help doing setups of a car (BTW: The stock setup of the MTX3 is almost perfect for all around, how is the stock setup of the NTC3? let me tell you: Needs a lot of improvement. Easy to drive, not good on the laps).

And in fact, if you see we don't spend on Carbon Fiber, titanium nor other 'noble materials', we spend on Aluminium to make most of the cars up to the legal weight (how much you may need to spend to have a 1720 grams NTC3 as the MTX3 I aligned at the last race? let me tell you: Many dollars on lightweight transmission parts, CF radio tray, Aluminium screw set and much more).

Next time you'll do a comparation, please get well informed.

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