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Old 03-07-2009, 06:38 PM   #1066
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I think the P81 will come with the white springs. Moto springs from softest to hardest:

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Old 03-08-2009, 12:38 PM   #1067
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I think the P81 will come with the white springs. Moto springs from softest to hardest:

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are ytou going to post your build of the new car online Garen?
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p81 looks good, but why did they change the servo plate? I think its one of the best features of the p8r compared to other makes. If it starts to rain during the day it was easy to change the electrics to waterproofed ones?
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Thanks for the replies Scott and Garen. I will keep this in mind when I break the car in at the track. I'll see what the equivalent Serpent springs and oils are and use those on the Motonica.

I am getting very excited now. Did the cars ship yet from Italia?
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Cars are shipping this week.

You can use springs and oils from different manufacturers, the problem is you won't be able to follow our setups. Also, some springs may not fit.
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Cars are shipping this week.

You can use springs and oils from different manufacturers, the problem is you won't be able to follow our setups. Also, some springs may not fit.
So then a 700 cst from Motonica is not the same as 700 cst from Serpent (for example)? As far as the springs, they are not universal like Mugen, Kyosho, and Serpent springs are? And setups are mainly based on what Motonica products are used?

I might be misunderstanding things here.
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Motonica does not have oils other than 500, at least not yet, so yes you are correct that Scotty is using something other than Motonica oil, however, the springs do not all match up. The diameter on some springs are not the same, and neither are the spring rates.
We try to be as detailed on the setup sheets as possible, and post on them any non Motonica products used including body, engine, pipe, tires, etc.
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Old 03-09-2009, 12:30 PM   #1073
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Motonica does not have oils other than 500, at least not yet, so yes you are correct that Scotty is using something other than Motonica oil, however, the springs do not all match up. The diameter on some springs are not the same, and neither are the spring rates.
We try to be as detailed on the setup sheets as possible, and post on them any non Motonica products used including body, engine, pipe, tires, etc.
Well if that is the case, is there a list of springs that work on the Motonica P81? I was assuming that with this new kit being similar to the other cars out now, the springs and whatnot would work on this car as well. In case the springs do not work, how about switching shocks to Serpent or whoever else works on this car?
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Well if that is the case, is there a list of springs that work on the Motonica P81? I was assuming that with this new kit being similar to the other cars out now, the springs and whatnot would work on this car as well. In case the springs do not work, how about switching shocks to Serpent or whoever else works on this car?
Hey again, I use mugen oil if thats answers that question. As far as springs go, U could use the mugen or kyosho springs as I think they would be closer to thw moto springs than a serpent spring and I wouldnt try the serprnt shocks either, I tested them and for me the Moto shocks felt the best. Our setups that are posted on Motonica USA web site are really good overall on just about all tracks I found. Again though, this is a "feel" thing and what feels fast to me might be to much and produce a slower lap for you so try them and see.
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Hey again, I use mugen oil if thats answers that question. As far as springs go, U could use the mugen or kyosho springs as I think they would be closer to thw moto springs than a serpent spring and I wouldnt try the serprnt shocks either, I tested them and for me the Moto shocks felt the best. Our setups that are posted on Motonica USA web site are really good overall on just about all tracks I found. Again though, this is a "feel" thing and what feels fast to me might be to much and produce a slower lap for you so try them and see.
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Hey Scott, thanks again for the reply. For me, a great car would be a car with a lot of steering. I setup my cars with a lot of steering because I am trigger happy and I love going fast and pushing into turns. So the more steering I have, the more it will suit my driving style. Key word being "PUSH" into turns. So I will need quite a bit of traction, which 301 Raceway offers (Damn great track and highly recommended).

Do you have your setup available Scott? Can you PM it to me? Is your driving style made for high grip? Does it include other springs aside from Motonica's springs and oils?

Thanks!
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:33 PM   #1076
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I guess no recommendation then?
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I guess no recommendation then?
Sorry for the delay HArry, its been busy here. Her is what I run or atleast start with.

front
252mm width
shocks in middle hole with 600wt mugen oil
silver springs
ride height 5-6 mm depending on surface(bumps)
up stops -1
1deg of toe out per side(total of two)
2.0mm camber (depends on tire wear) adjust as needed for wear on outside tire.
caster all the way forward
rollcenters top 1mm bottom 2mm
sway bar flat most of the time



rear
263mm width
shock in middle hole with 700wt mugen oil
silver springs
rideheight 6-7mm car likes front lower by 1mm most the time
up stops 7mm
2.5-3.5 toe
2-3.5 camber (adjust as needed for outside tire wear)
roll center top 2mm bottom 1mm
swaybar full stiff ( sounds weird but the stiffer the more reactive and more traction) try it out

Body protoform 909 centered in the front wheel openings

Clutch Gio racing clutch (gio extreme.com) Super light and consistant
Yb slow front Y brace ( Ybslow inc )
Yb slow fuel cooler a must on long tracks ie. 301, cinn,
Yb slow light weight axels with adj scrub setting and fixed whell adapters.
Yb slow front shaft alum (light and strong)
yb slow ft body mount ( a must have item)
Yb slow ft weight set Two pieces
every option Moto has for car I use

Well man, I hope this help some as we have diff styles of drive, its hard to pinpoint exactly what this will work like for you but this is my standard setup I start with everywhere. The Yb slow stuff really helps for all out performance!!

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Sorry for the delay HArry, its been busy here. Her is what I run or atleast start with.

front
252mm width
shocks in middle hole with 600wt mugen oil
silver springs
ride height 5-6 mm depending on surface(bumps)
up stops -1
1deg of toe out per side(total of two)
2.0mm camber (depends on tire wear) adjust as needed for wear on outside tire.
caster all the way forward
rollcenters top 1mm bottom 2mm
sway bar flat most of the time



rear
263mm width
shock in middle hole with 700wt mugen oil
silver springs
rideheight 6-7mm car likes front lower by 1mm most the time
up stops 7mm
2.5-3.5 toe
2-3.5 camber (adjust as needed for outside tire wear)
roll center top 2mm bottom 1mm
swaybar full stiff ( sounds weird but the stiffer the more reactive and more traction) try it out

Body protoform 909 centered in the front wheel openings

Clutch Gio racing clutch (gio extreme.com) Super light and consistant
Yb slow front Y brace ( Ybslow inc )
Yb slow fuel cooler a must on long tracks ie. 301, cinn,
Yb slow light weight axels with adj scrub setting and fixed whell adapters.
Yb slow front shaft alum (light and strong)
yb slow ft body mount ( a must have item)
Yb slow ft weight set Two pieces
every option Moto has for car I use

Well man, I hope this help some as we have diff styles of drive, its hard to pinpoint exactly what this will work like for you but this is my standard setup I start with everywhere. The Yb slow stuff really helps for all out performance!!

Later
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Oh wow! So the setup is pretty much similar on the P81 as well!

Thank you very much. However my goal was to match the settings with Mugen springs and oils, since that is what is readily available in my area. I really don't mean to be a pain, but I am working with what I have immediately available.

I really thank you for your time and effort with this setup. Let me know if I can return the favor.
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Oh wow! So the setup is pretty much similar on the P81 as well!

Thank you very much. However my goal was to match the settings with Mugen springs and oils, since that is what is readily available in my area. I really don't mean to be a pain, but I am working with what I have immediately available.

I really thank you for your time and effort with this setup. Let me know if I can return the favor.
Hey Harry. No problem helping you. If I were to use mugen springs then I would try the white ones and 600wt oil ft and 700wt rear...
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Harry,

I have had the P8.0R for a while now and it came with black springs originally and I bought both silver and gold springs. I did the upgrade to the '08 upgrade kit and tried the silver springs. The black springs are pretty soft and I personally wasn't comfortable with the silver. I have been running Mugen white springs and found them somewhere in between the silver and black moto springs. No math or spring rate testing...just driving the car. Give them a try...it's more up to you what feels good.
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