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jord87 04-17-2019 07:25 AM

3 speed transmissions- how do they work?
 
Hi guys,

I'm pretty familiar with the normal 2 speed transmissions with a oneway on the 1st gear and a centrifugal clutch on the 2nd. However, it wouldn't seem to work in my brain if I stack an additional stage as a 3rd gear.
So I'm wondering if someone could explain to me how a 3 speed gear tranny, such as that in Schumacher gtr, works. Any help is appreciated:)

Thanks!

Roelof 04-17-2019 09:29 AM

They work with the other option how to shift which was used in the old BMT and still is used in many RTR cars like the HPI Nitro RS4.

There is no clutch shoe but a small lever arm. Still that one is going out due centifugal forces and will grab itself in a notch on the 2nd speed gear adapter. When the 3rd speed is engaged the rotation of the 2nd gear is the right direction so the notch will slide over the lever arm.

This guy tries to explain the working of that gearbox

1/8 IC Fan 04-17-2019 06:23 PM

Look up the HPI savage 3spd and Kyosho Mad Crusher 3spd manuals.

HPI:https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...967cb0bf7a.jpg

GripTLR 04-18-2019 11:47 AM

Man... I miss HPI being a good brand.

lighttravler 04-20-2019 02:27 PM

Man what you talking about I had my hpi xl savage bullet proof . Years back on savage central

lighttravler 04-20-2019 02:28 PM

3 speed

GripTLR 04-22-2019 12:20 PM

keyword years back.

HPI sucks these days.

bertrandsv87 04-22-2019 03:23 PM

Never mind how the three speed transmissions work, since they are too heavy(80g equals slower acceleration) and will be completely out of range(over 400ft away) when the third gear will make a difference: you will need binoculars to see your car on the track....Even at the biggest track in the world(Lostallo) everyone uses a two speed(47g to 60g).....No need for three speed transmissions in RC racing period.....

Zerodefect 05-08-2019 02:36 PM

I used a 3 speed there.

allen5887 06-11-2019 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by jord87 (Post 15433594)
Hi guys,

I'm pretty familiar with the normal 2 speed transmissions with a oneway on the 1st gear and a centrifugal clutch on the 2nd. However, it wouldn't seem to work in my brain if I stack an additional stage as a 3rd gear.
So I'm wondering if someone could explain to me how a 3 speed gear tranny, such as that in Schumacher gtr, works. Any help is appreciated:)

Thanks!

Gears are used for transmitting power from one part of a machine to another. In a bicycle, for example, it's gears (with the help of a chain) that take power from the pedals to the back wheel. Similarly, in a car, gears transmit power from the crankshaft (the rotating axle that takes power from the engine) to the driveshaft running under the car that ultimately powers the wheels.

You can have any number of gears connected together and they can be in different shapes and sizes. Each time you pass power from one gear wheel to another, you can do one of three things:

Increase speed: If you connect two gears together and the first one has more teeth than the second one (generally that means it's a bigger-sized wheel), the second one has to turn round much faster to keep up. So this arrangement means the second wheel turns faster than the first one but with less force. Looking at our diagram on the right (top), turning the red wheel (with 24 teeth) would make the blue wheel (with 12 teeth) go twice as fast but with half as much force.
Increase force: If the second wheel in a pair of gears has more teeth than the first one (that is, if it's a larger wheel), it turns slower than the first one but with more force. (Turn the blue wheel and the red wheel goes slower but has more force.)
Change direction: When two gears mesh together, the second one always turns in the opposite direction. So if the first one turns clockwise, the second one must turn counterclockwise. You can also use specially shaped gears to make the power of a machine turn through an angle. In a car, for example, the differential (a gearbox in the middle of the rear axle of a rear-wheel drive car) uses a cone-shaped bevel gear to turn the driveshaft's power through 90 degrees and turn the back wheels.
How do they do it?


Thinking of gears as levers shows exactly how they work. Suppose you turn the axle at point (1). The bar connecting points (1) and (2) moves faster and with less force at point (2) because it's working as a lever. If you can't see this, suppose the red bar were a spanner and you pushed at point (2) to undo a nut at point (1) in the center. Then point (1) would turn with less speed and more force. If you turn at point (1) instead, the opposite is true: you get more speed and less force at point (2). That's the red bar, which is just touching the blue bar. As the two bars touch, they must be going at the same speed. Now the blue bar is also a lever, but it's working the other way: like a spanner. So if we apply a force at point (2), it's magnified by the leverage of the blue bar and we get more force (and less speed) at point (3).

Putting everything together, what do we get? We apply a certain force and speed at point (1). The red bar might give us four times the speed and a quarter of the force at point (2). But the blue bar will work the other way and maybe halve the speed and double the force. So when we get to point (3), we have twice the speed and half the force that we had at point (1). That's what we'd expect from a pair of gear wheels where one (red) is twice the size and has twice as many teeth as the other (blue).

Why do we need gears?
Let's think about cars. A car has a whole box full of gears—the gearbox—sitting between the crankshaft and the driveshaft. But what do they actually do?

A car engine makes power in a fairly violent way by harnessing the energy locked in gasoline. It works efficiently only when the pistons in the cylinders are pumping up and down at high speeds—about 10-20 times a second. Even when the car is simply idling by the roadside, the pistons still need to push up and down roughly 1000 times a minute or the engine will cut out. In other words, the engine has a minimum speed at which it works best of about 1000 rpm. But that creates an immediate problem because if the engine were connected directly to the wheels, they'd have a minimum speed of 1000 rpm as well—which corresponds to roughly 120km/h or 75mph. Put it another way, if you switched on the ignition in a car like this, your wheels would instantly turn at 75mph! Suppose you put your foot down until the rev counter reached 7000 rpm. Now the wheels should be turning round about seven times faster and you'd be going at 840 km/h or about 525 mph!

It sounds wildly exciting, but there's a snag. It takes a massive amount of force to get a car moving from a standstill and an engine that tries to go at top speed, right from the word go, won't generate enough force to do it. That's why cars need gearboxes. To begin with, a car needs a huge amount of force and very little speed to get it moving, so the driver uses a low gear. In effect, the gearbox is reducing the speed of the engine greatly but increasing its force in the same proportion to get the car moving. Once the car's going, the driver switches to a higher gear. More of the engine's power switches to making speed—and the car goes faster.

Changing gears

In theory, changing gears is about using the engine's power in different ways to match changing driving conditions. The driver uses the gearshift to make the engine generate more force or more speed depending on whether hill-climbing power, acceleration from a standstill, or pure speed is needed. In practice, changing gears means meshing different sized gear wheels together, but you can't do that while the gearbox is transmitting power from the engine at high speed. That's why you need to press a car's clutch pedal before changing gears, which disengages the engine's input from the gearbox. You can then use the gearshift to change to a different pattern of gears, before letting the clutch transmit power back from the engine to the gearbox (and the wheels) once again.
On a bicycle, it's much more obvious what's going on when you change gears because you can see it happening. As you flick the gear shift, you can watch (and feel) the chain hop from one sprocket to another, engaging different-sized gear wheels. On many bikes, the gear change is controlled by a clever mechanism called a derailleur, which smoothly diverts the chain from sprocket to sprocket even though you're pedaling along at speed.

Five different ways to use gears
I've made these five simple gear machines with an old construction set to illustrate a few of the ways in which we can use gears to do different jobs:

Gears for speed
In simple gearbox, I've got (from right to left) a large gear wheel with 40 teeth, a medium wheel with 20 teeth, and a small wheel with 10 teeth. When I turn the large wheel round once, the medium wheel has to turn twice to keep up. Similarly, when the medium wheel turns once, the small wheel has to turn twice to keep up. So, when I turn the large gear wheel on the right, the small wheel on the left turns four times faster but with one quarter as much turning force. This gearbox is designed for increasing speed.

Simple gearbox made from construction set gears designed to increase speed

Gears for force
If I power the same gearbox in the opposite direction, by turning the small wheel, I'll make the large wheel spin a quarter as fast but with four times as much force. That's useful if I need to make a heavy truck go up a hill, for example.


Rack and pinion gears
You've probably seen one of these in cliff- and hill-climbing rack railroads, but they're also used in car steering systems, weighing scales, and many other kinds of machines as well. In a rack and pinion gear, a slowly spinning gear wheel (the pinion) meshes with a flat ridged bar (the rack). If the rack is fixed in place, the gear wheel is forced to move along it (as in a railroad). If the gear is fixed, the pinion shifts instead. That's what happens in car steering: you turn the steering wheel (connected to a pinion) and it makes a rack shift from side to side to swivel the car's front wheels to the left or the right. In simple weighing scales, when you load a weight on the pan at the top, it pushes a rack straight downward, causing a pinion to rotate. The pinion is attached to a pointer that rotates as well, showing the weight on the dial.

Sun and planet gears
If you need to convert reciprocating (back-and-forth) motion into rotation, you normally do it with a crankshaft and connecting rod; that's how pistons drive the wheels on steam engines. But you can do the same thing with gears. In this arrangement, a small gear called a planet (which, it's important to note, is fixed to a rod so that it cannot rotate) is moved around a second (usually bigger) gear called a Sun. As the rod moves the planet back and forth, the Sun spins around. Sun and planet gears were popularized by James Watt, who was unable to use a crankshaft in his pioneering steam engine because it was originally protected by a patent. (There's a great little animation of a sun and planet gear on Wikimedia Commons. Notice the black lines inked on the two gears showing clearly that the Sun rotates, while the planet does not.)



Whenever you gain something from a gear you must lose something else at the same time to make up for it. If that weren't the case, you could use gears to create energy and make what scientists call a perpetual motion machine—and that's absolutely forbidden by a law of physics called the conservation of energy. Formally stated, it says that you can't create or destroy energy, only convert it from one form into another. To put it more informally, as my old physics teacher used to say: "You don't get 'owt for nowt" or "There's no gain without pain"!


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