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Old 10-13-2006, 06:33 AM   #631
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Luke, what comes first, the thunder or the lightning? We all know they happen simultaneously, but that's not what we see/hear.
Mike has a good point....LIGHT! As a nutral party in this, I was not there, only heard of this just 1 minute ago, but for future events, do you think we need to go to a Christmas tree type start with trip lights? or a way for these events to record trigger response? The technology is out there and I know it will not effect this race, but It can prevent future questons.

I feel for all that are involved and I understand the importance of this. However, even if this proves the jump start, I am curious, what can/would be done?

(if any of this has been written before, sorry, i didn't read the whole thread)

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Old 10-13-2006, 09:27 AM   #632
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"DRIVERS DOWN A QUIET WE ARE RACING ON THE TONE"
That dosnt work any more?
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Old 10-13-2006, 01:01 PM   #633
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i would like to thank barry baker and paulo for all the help they gave me this weekend. too bad i wasn't able to drive as good as my car was tuned!!! also the support by team serpent for us non sponsored guys was the best i have ever seen at any race i have attended.thanks team serpent you have a customer for life.
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Mike has a good point....LIGHT! As a nutral party in this, I was not there, only heard of this just 1 minute ago, but for future events, do you think we need to go to a Christmas tree type start with trip lights? or a way for these events to record trigger response? The technology is out there and I know it will not effect this race, but It can prevent future questons.

I feel for all that are involved and I understand the importance of this. However, even if this proves the jump start, I am curious, what can/would be done?

(if any of this has been written before, sorry, i didn't read the whole thread)

Oh, call a CSI team, I am sure they can figure it out
i believe they could have assessed a ten second penalty to the "jumper". it was announced at the second drivers meeting that anybody who was outside the box before the horn would get a stop & go penalty or make them pull into the pits until the entire field had passed. i don't remember exactly what was said.
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Old 10-13-2006, 07:12 PM   #635
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They could have given him a 10-second, 100-second, or 1000-second penalty. It would have made no difference, nor would Josh's car have been any less destroyed.

Prior to the start of the race, one of the drivers pointed the speaker on the driver's stand away from the drivers, and then asked for it to be turned off. Maybe next time that won't happen.




The accident is an important part of the race, but not the main point. The battle between Ralph and Mikey is a far bigger part of things, even though we know several racers had their race affected by the accident. :-(
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Old 10-13-2006, 08:56 PM   #636
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The speaker was turned a very small amount, but never turned off. It was still very loud.
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Old 10-13-2006, 09:11 PM   #637
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I remember for the worlds, the cinci club was using air horns for the starts. It seems to me that an air horn is a better start audible than a computerized horn start.

First horn should be drop the cars. Second horn should be go. I always liked going to the front stretch starting area than the back stretch.

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Old 10-14-2006, 08:45 AM   #638
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With all the other stuff going on at the race, while the crash is certainly a part of the event, isn't the biggest thing really the battle between Ralph and Mikey for who is "best"? The photo below represents the distance between the two of them for much of the race. Nobody knew for the full 60 minutes which one would be the winner...

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It sure was a nail biter. Ralph's tire management was unbelievable! The difference in the race was Ralph's one tire change vs. Mike's two changes. It's kinda hard to change strategies mid race and I think Ralph surprised everyone with only one tire change. I think Ralph short pitted a lot and knew if Mike went the distance he could only afford one tire swap.

A great race to watch for sure!
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It sure was a nail biter. Ralph's tire management was unbelievable! The difference in the race was Ralph's one tire change vs. Mike's two changes. It's kinda hard to change strategies mid race and I think Ralph surprised everyone with only one tire change. I think Ralph short pitted a lot and knew if Mike went the distance he could only afford one tire swap.

A great race to watch for sure!
Ralph started the race with 76 rear tires. I just measured the right rear tire on his car and its still 70mm! After 30 minutes.

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Mark, Congratulations to you and Ralph. The track owed you one.
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Some people waited for their pit crews to make tire changes in an organized fashion. Others did it on their own....

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Dave Campbell took the high road....

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Old 10-14-2006, 02:27 PM   #644
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Originally posted by rmdhawaii...

"Iíve been offline for the past 10 days and was anxiously looking forward to the reviewing the results of this race. The level of controversy about the start is pretty much off the charts, so itís only natural that I have something to say about it. Since my comments go well beyond the race itself, I decided to create a seperate thread on it.

First, my congrats to the winners. Iíll have to get onto SGrid some time this weekend to checkout the pics and the videos.

A-Main start: Bad starts are all a part of racing. We all know this. At club races or at something as big as the Nationals, as Luke W pointed out, ďsh*t happens". I think itís good that we talk about it, so that everyone can learn from the experience and reduce the likelihood of bad starts in future races. Eliminate it entirely? Good luck. About the closest thing to a clean start that I can think of are the race gates at horse races Ė but Iím sure thatís not perfect either.

Rules: Race directors need to enforce the ground rules laid down for an event. Period. Failure to do so lessens the quality of an event and starts to reek of favoritism and unfairness. I wasn't at this event, so I cannot make any statements about how well the rules were enforced. This is only a general comment made based on what other posted.

Video: The ability to review video is a great thing, but the bottom line is, itís not part of the rules. Bad starts, rough driving, pit violations and more, are all up for this level of scrutiny. Is this what we really want? Are we willing to pay for this level of officiating at National events? I donít think so. For this level of officiating, I think an entry fee of $250-500 would not be out of the question.

Taking R/C ďseriouslyĒ: Just because someone doesnít derive an income from racing cars, does not make them any less serious than those who do. I hate the fact that people continue to make this distinction. Thatís messed up. If a person can derive some type of income from racing Nitro R/C cars, more power to them. Iím sure all of us would like to be in this position. But people who do derive an income from racing, qualify/race with people who do not derive any income from racing and like everyone, fall under a racing organization that IMO, is more oriented toward hobby level enthusiast versus ďprofessionalĒ racers. Iím sure a lot of people will disagree with this statement, but itís how I see it at the moment. I admit that I have to give this more thought. Some people seem to be implying, that for those that take this hobby "more seriously", a different set of rules or level of rule enforcement needs to be in effect.

Many of us only have a ROAR membership because itís required to race Ė and the reason we need it is because of the liability insurance. The rules are a good thing and provide a foundation under which we can all race at a competitive level. As stated in the rules, the race director has a lot of leeway over how a race is run. The ROAR Race Management Team thing is an interesting concept Ė but itís like combing the three braches of the U.S. government into one governing body. Who do you appeal to when the rules, officiating and final decisions are all made by the same entity?

We all have our reasons for racing, but at the end of the day, we either walk away happy or unhappy, winners or not winners, fulfilled or unfulfilled. Iím pretty sure that the majority of us want a clean fair race, in which everyone complies by the rules and the rules are strictly enforced. But thatís an ideal that can never be fully attained and we all have to live with a certain amount of imperfection and disappointment. For some, the consequences of racing under these conditions is far greater and unacceptable when things go wrong than for others. At the moment, thatís just the way it is."
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Mark, Congratulations to you and Ralph. The track owed you one.
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