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Ssilverfz1 11-08-2014 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Silo (Post 13644488)
It's called R&D not D&R...

No one can research better than a skilled racer able to push the car to it's limits and find it's weak-points.

But the majority of us will never ever be able to push a car as fast as Lutz, Maifield, Phend, Cav, Hartson, Tessman, Drake..........Hell there are some fast guys at my local club that I could never dream of touching and they don't get paid to race.

With some proper research there are a lot of "FAST GUYS" at local clubs around the country and world I am sure that could provide feedback for what is already a solid platform, thanks to the solid base of the Durango as it sits.

And guess what..........a lot of them would be willing to do it for some free product and cool "i am sponsored t-shirts". I would also be willing to wager that they would sell more product at that track as well, if they get the right guys. Look how well Tekno has done without buying "the major named driver" and now they are ready to take that next step.

I still have a DEX210, love it problem is no product support in my local area. I got tired of having to always have every part with me in case I broke. There wasn't even anybody else at the track to bum a part from if I broke, nobody else ran them. They all ran associated and a Losi or two. The track store didn't carry parts, nobody raced them.

For whatever reason the Durango never really seemed to get a foot hold in America and I would say it was due to a lack of club racers. When Hobbico acquired Durango in 2012, how many local drivers at your track had even a minor sponsorship from Durango? They tried the RTR give away but that didn't work.

Ryan Lutz as great of a guy as he is, couldn't drive sales for an entire country and especially in 10th scale. Durango's pros were successful and winning, but people at the club level weren't even seeing the cars. I would agree that if Hobbico/Durango don't start an aggressive club level sponsorship (even just 50% deals, would save a lot of guys money) they won't be around the race scene long.

Yes I can be long winded, sorry!

Jaz240 11-08-2014 08:03 AM

Allot of people bought Durango's. 1/10 and 1/8 scale. The problem was that Ryan was the only person who really did well with the 1/8 stuff and the 1/10 had no parts support even from Hobbico. They killed the brand themselves. Maybe they can turn things around but if they continue to have parts out of stock for 4 months it won't matter if they give everything away for free, nobody will race them.

AHR43 11-08-2014 10:02 AM

Best way I know of to scatter a group of club racers is to begin sprinkling sponsorship(s) in among them. Sponsorship and club racing are mutually exclusive. Keep club racing free of sponsorship entanglements and commitments.

It is to Durango's credit they have chosen to focus on club racing support. That rings true. But do it by offering a competitive product at a reasonable price. Back it up with an aggressive parts program. Keep sponsorship in any form out of it.

Ssilverfz1 11-08-2014 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by AHR43 (Post 13645522)
Best way I know of to scatter a group of club racers is to begin sprinkling sponsorship(s) in among them. Sponsorship and club racing are mutually exclusive. Keep club racing free of sponsorship entanglements and commitments.

It is to Durango's credit they have chosen to focus on club racing support. That rings true. But do it by offering a competitive product at a reasonable price. Back it up with an aggressive parts program. Keep sponsorship in any form out of it.


Problem is.....every fast guy at the track wants to be the next Lutz. I don't see how any brand can have a large following without some sponsorship program. That's just my take of course.

AHR43 11-08-2014 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Ssilverfz1 (Post 13645576)
Problem is.....every fast guy at the track wants to be the next Lutz. I don't see how any brand can have a large following without some sponsorship program. That's just my take of course.

Well put. Agree completely. And all those local fast guys will rise to the level they can compete at. As they should. Recognize their talents with sponsorship at the regional and national level, not at the club level. Therein lies the dilemma for a manufacturer such as Durango. How to successfully promote their car at the club/local level without alienating the not-so-fast drivers at the expense of promoting the fast few. Be interesting to watch how this marketing strategy plays out.

evolution03 11-09-2014 07:22 AM

I don't see how it will alienate the slower drivers at club level. I've seen at several tracks where whatever the fast guys are running the slower guys buy. If they sponsor the right faster guys around the country at club level they will sell more kits.

Jaz240 11-09-2014 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by evolution03 (Post 13646852)
I don't see how it will alienate the slower drivers at club level. I've seen at several tracks where whatever the fast guys are running the slower guys buy. If they sponsor the right faster guys around the country at club level they will sell more kits.

A main has been trying that with the S workz brand. So far I don't think its working out very well because the cars don't look good in the hands of anyone including Hara himself so more people are turning away. If your going to put your vehicle in a bunch of club racers hands and expect them to sell the brand you better be sure you have a good product that is fast

speedy2 11-09-2014 11:07 AM

..till Hara next time, or some nobody with a Sworkz wins in front of everybody
you can drive good with any car, if you drive long enough with it
it is not because Tessman wins now, the d812 is going to be ok for my driving
in fact that car is almost 3 years old, and now interest is only growing,certainly in europe

Jaz240 11-09-2014 11:41 AM

The biggest difference that I see though is that the D812 has been a capable buggy from day 1 and I'm just not seeing the same thing from the 350. We had a few locals get that S workz sponsorship from A main who was trying the same approach as Durango is now and all of them dumped the buggies for the exact same reasons; car did not drive well and severe shortage of parts.

speedy2 11-09-2014 01:50 PM

I did hear some people who had problems with this and that, or getting the rear stable too, and getting parts..
same for the Sworkz, but in his present form certainly, it's one of the best cars around mecanicaly
I really like the new Durango, the bulkheads opening up is great feature, and the looks are racy
and in all the car seems to be designed logicaly

Jaz240 11-09-2014 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by speedy2 (Post 13647447)
I did hear some people who had problems with this and that, or getting the rear stable too, and getting parts..
same for the Sworkz, but in his present form certainly, it's one of the best cars around

I'm not sure where you are Gigi. Maybe the buggy is much better on Euro style tracks. On MX style US tracks I have not seen one look good yet. The Truggy however looks very promising. I think with Durango it will come down to how well their new 1/8 cars perform. If they are fast people will buy them regardless as long as parts support improves. Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Eivind E 11-09-2014 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Jaz240 (Post 13647500)
Maybe the buggy is much better on Euro style tracks.

Negative, the Sworkz doesn't work here either.
IMHO the Sworkz likes short, twisty, bumpy tracks.

Ssilverfz1 11-09-2014 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by AHR43 (Post 13645752)
Well put. Agree completely. And all those local fast guys will rise to the level they can compete at. As they should. Recognize their talents with sponsorship at the regional and national level, not at the club level. Therein lies the dilemma for a manufacturer such as Durango. How to successfully promote their car at the club/local level without alienating the not-so-fast drivers at the expense of promoting the fast few. Be interesting to watch how this marketing strategy plays out.


You do have to pick the right guys. Ryan Lutz is the perfect role model for somebody wanting to get sponsored. He promotes his sponsors products but he helps everybody. From what I see at the club level is when guys get the deals and the cool shirts they all start running in their own clique and don't have time for others. Sponsored drivers need to understand that at the club level it's about promoting the hobby and having fun. It seems like every single club race has the intensity of a national. Yelling at newbies who can't get out of the way and wanting to separate the classes.

The companies could further this by not making every single sponsorship about the fastest guy. Pick some club guys give them a little discount and don't require them to travel. Anyway one can always hope......most of these people need to understand they aren't going to get paid to race. I would like to win every time out but at 48 years old I am trying to get better all the time.....AND HAVE FUN!

speedy2 11-10-2014 12:19 AM

Wonder if this plan of Durango is menth to work for drivers in europe too, or rather the USA

Pulse_ 11-10-2014 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Eivind E (Post 13647528)
Negative, the Sworkz doesn't work here either.
IMHO the Sworkz likes short, twisty, bumpy tracks.

these are the type of tracks we have locally and the Sworkz Evo is awesome, I prefer it over my TKI3 in these conditions


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