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Old 07-22-2013, 03:58 PM
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I was at a big two day race over the weekend and they had intro, pro and expert. And I'm rocking the intro cuz for obvious reasons. The truggy had a low turn out and I managed to bump into the A main. When they announced the A main drivers for intro 1/2 of them are sponsored and then there's the rest of us. I did manage to place 9th and the top guy had 4 laps over the rest of the pack but shouldn't there be some kinda rule for sponsored guys? I'm sure this has been brought up before on the forums but myself feel like these guys are cheating. Obviously it's an ego thing but it's disappointing to the rest of the intro guys trying to get a grasp where they truly stand when you have these guys. Not sure is this is a rant or a question. But thanks for listening. I did have a blast either way. I mean you're racing after all.
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Were you at dirtburners???
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:47 PM
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Maybe. I hope I'm not coming off like a child. I've been doing this for about 4 yrs and I'm not progressing as fast as I should be I'm sure. People that have about the same time as me have improved twice as much as me. It's not gonna keep me from doing this or going to this track by all means. Maybe I just have a chip.
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The bigger problem is there shouldn't be 3 divisions in a given car type. Its something that RC Pro started and never should have. In my opinion you should either be Pro, or Open. Let the mains sort everyone out and race where you end up in the mains. Roar actually does this right at the national level, all one group per car type.

It is beyond me why anyone would want to go to a race and only see how they stack up against 1/3 of the racers there. Seems silly to me.

There is just way too much overlap in lap times between the classes. I'll have to do some checking on results of the STL race, but usually what happens is the top Intermediate drivers would be in like the B main of the next class up. So 10-12 of the Intermediate drivers are better than over half the expert drivers. LOL It isn't just the STL race, but I think it is what this poster is referring to.
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I'm sure it's on a national level. I talked to the guys that run the show and they seem to be great guys. Nothing against the tack. I'll go to this every year that they hold it. Best race of the year by far.
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if you were at dirtburners, i was one of the int. sponsored guys. i feel that there are a lot of different kinds of sponsorships out there. all of my "sponsors" are basically just a discount on parts. i do feel that if you have a chassis or motor sponsor that you are probably good enough to move up. I think that when you are consistently at the top of your class, then it is time to move up. I am getting close to that point now, but it also depends on where i am racing. the talent at dirtburners this weekend was extremely fast in all classes.
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No doubt. I also do the Midwest but the guys that have any kind of sponsorship are on the pro level. Being pro material is a different case. I'm sure you deserve the partial but why wouldn't you step up to pro? Not trying to jab but just curious. Not many can compete with Wheeler or Lutz so that's why there's a pro class, I guess.
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I am one of the club members at Dirtburners, and i hope you had a good time at our track for the event. We put lots of effort into this and i hope it went smoothly for you.

Anyway, i for one really dont agree with the whole intermediate, expert, pro thing. The idea was for intermediate to be a fully nonsponsored class but we have never announced that which is a mistake in my opinion. I agree with Mayor, the classes should be open and pro. Open is for everyone not sponsored or sponsored up to 50%, and pro is for anyone with the skill level or above 50%. I will bring it up with the other club guys to see what they think, but it would be smart to post this in the dirtburners thread too hyperfuxx
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I guess I already got called out. Didn't think it would be that fast. I dig the track and the event. Doesn't leave a bad taste or anything. If anything, running with these guys made me more aware of my faults and made me think more about correcting them. Weekends like this made me improve my lap times. But I also had a vocal pit guy.
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Originally Posted by hyperfuxx View Post
I was at a big two day race over the weekend and they had intro, pro and expert. And I'm rocking the intro cuz for obvious reasons. The truggy had a low turn out and I managed to bump into the A main. When they announced the A main drivers for intro 1/2 of them are sponsored and then there's the rest of us. I did manage to place 9th and the top guy had 4 laps over the rest of the pack but shouldn't there be some kinda rule for sponsored guys? I'm sure this has been brought up before on the forums but myself feel like these guys are cheating. Obviously it's an ego thing but it's disappointing to the rest of the intro guys trying to get a grasp where they truly stand when you have these guys. Not sure is this is a rant or a question. But thanks for listening. I did have a blast either way. I mean you're racing after all.
Sponsored drivers should race at least expert/open not in novice, beginner, or intro...

I know that is what Mugen requires

But really its the race directors fault, they should have caught them in quals and moved them up..
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Originally Posted by KThatcher View Post
Sponsored drivers should race at least expert/open not in novice, beginner, or intro...

I know that is what Mugen requires

But really its the race directors fault, they should have caught them in quals and moved them up..
My thoughts exactly.
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if you can consistently win , maybe even just two or three times , MOVE UP!!

racing against faster racers will make you strive to improve your driving skills, wrenching skills , tuning skills , etc. etc.

theres always gonna be a little overlap in times , its really not quite that defined buttttt maybe if there was only 1 class then all will be good

roar only has 1 class
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But this isn't on the roar level. The expert maybe. I'm not going to get invited to race but I would crash the party if it was close enough.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:34 PM
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What about guys entering the same class twice at big events - For example Pro Buggy and Expert Buggy or Inter Buggy and Expert Buggy. This seems to be more and more common.

The organizers don't seem to mind I assume because they collected twice the entry fee.
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Times don't lie. if someone is racing below there skill then it causes issues by being counterproductive for the lower guys. Moral will drop and the lower guys won't wanna race cause others are lapping. The director needs to address this issue by viewing the times, it's pretty easy to point out this issue. Racing should be competitive and others should have the opportunity to place if they fall within their respected classes.. Example would be the dirt challenge. People were racing in the lower classes with a chassis sponsor. There were terms on the flyer that state if someone had a chassis sponsor they need to race pro. There were more then a few but man that would be hard to manage guess it's a honor thing.
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