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Old 12-05-2012, 02:52 AM
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Just wondering, with some companies who have tested (and still are testing) prototype vehicles or current vehicles with other company's parts on them at national (and world) events, do the companies in question have agreements in place with those other manufacturers to use those parts on their 'team' vehicles.

I suppose the most recent notable example is the Team Durango worlds team which are running the prototype buggy with a mixture of Kyosho and Mugen parts.

I understand it is costly for a company to try and produce 'custom' parts for prototypes, and it is much cheaper to use production examples of certain parts....but let's say for the sake of it that Ryan Lutz or one of the other TD drivers wins the worlds (or a top 3 podium) with the prototype TD buggy....will those companies such as Kyosho or Mugen try to claim some credit at all for use of their tried and tested parts?
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I hear ya on this, looks like most cars are running Kyosho shocks as well
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From the Durango thread:

Originally Posted by Doughty View Post
Hello All,

I thought I'd just quickly post to clear up a few things for you all.

the car that is running at the worlds is the Nth generation of our test/prototype DNX408, as you can see, we do have some Kyosho parts on the front, we also have some Mugen parts on the rear. basically because this is just a test car, we are evaluating geometry, we have tried most things, the ones that seem to be working best is what we have, however we'd like some changes to what we are running.
to go blindly and copy an arm, or to just 'guess' an arm length and geometry and make new arm moulds isn't the cleverest thing to do.
We are testing what currently exists and will then know what geometry we finally want. right now, the closest to that is a Kyosho front arm and a Mugen rear arm. however, its not exactly the lengths we think we finally want.

we test our prototypes against the highest level of competition around (the worlds)
other companies do their R&D and prototyping behind closed doors on private tracks, we also do this, but we also 'race' our cars to prove their speed.
Its fine being able to set fast laps on an empty test track, but there isn't any benchmark or 'race' to these tests.

The shocks are our own, our own caps, adjusters, shock-boots, pistons, bladders, shafts, bodies, o-rings, plastics and springs. we are still testing and evaluating lengths, we have multiple length shafts and bodies made up to test with.

as mentioned, maybe plastic braces might work better, but this is just a test car still, a hand made prototype to prove and test ideas.
without being limited by what we have easily 'to hand' (plastic parts) to test with I'm sure we can extract even more performance from the car.

The car is constantly evolving, we have tried many things, there are still many more things to try. once we get a car that out-performs the current production car AND all other cars in all conditions around the world, we can then put it through the Durango production design process and then you will see a truly awesome vehicle.

So in summary, with Team Durango, you get to see our testing, pretty sure EVERY other company does exactly the same, its just we choose not to hide our tests and compete with them to prove them on the race-track

Hope this clears up a few things, we all work super-hard on everything we do.
I've been super-busy trying to get the final few parts to the guys for the worlds, lets hope the end result turns out to be a good one...

Thanks
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Today's prototypes is next season's production car, or would you prefer to race buggies from 2 generations ago? THe level of competitiveness is unreal compared to 5 years ago companies have to step it up or be left in the dust.

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Originally Posted by wombat View Post
Just wondering, with some companies who have tested (and still are testing) prototype vehicles or current vehicles with other company's parts on them at national (and world) events, do the companies in question have agreements in place with those other manufacturers to use those parts on their 'team' vehicles.

I suppose the most recent notable example is the Team Durango worlds team which are running the prototype buggy with a mixture of Kyosho and Mugen parts.

I understand it is costly for a company to try and produce 'custom' parts for prototypes, and it is much cheaper to use production examples of certain parts....but let's say for the sake of it that Ryan Lutz or one of the other TD drivers wins the worlds (or a top 3 podium) with the prototype TD buggy....will those companies such as Kyosho or Mugen try to claim some credit at all for use of their tried and tested parts?
Nope. It is a free market. Durango purchased those parts and are free to do with them what they please. If Durango (or anyone) wanted to buy a complete kit from any other manufacture, slap their stickers on it, and go race they could. Now they can't claim it is their design, but for testing purpose it doesn't matter. Like that post from Chris Doughty stated, all they are testing is geometry. If there were no other arms which were close enough to what they wanted, they would be forced to modify something, or make their own.
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If you buy a Kyosho shock, it's yours to do with as you please.

If you decide to swallow it to freak out a hot Xray technician lady, there really isn't anything Kyosho can say about that.
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it also lowers prototyping costs since you don't have to custom make your own. But I don't know how you can improve on the K shocks...
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Originally Posted by inpuressa View Post
it also lowers prototyping costs since you don't have to custom make your own. But I don't know how you can improve on the K shocks...
you can start by putting an annodizing that stays on it.
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With todays CNC machines and 3D print technology it is easy and quick to make prototypes, I have seen a 3D pinter at a small Benelux RC company so I presume most RC manufacturers have one or have acces to one.
But yes, it is easy to get parts from other brands but to me it is not real devellopping.

I have seen compleete rebuilded cars. Collari as an huge example has runned and won many worlds for kyosho but not with a standard car. Through the years he used Serpent uprights, Mugen gearboxes, Serpen clutches, Mugen shocks and last time he even had made a hybride car with a complete Mugen front end and a Kyosho rear end on a special made chassis. None of those "options" were afterwards intriduced as Kyosho parts (The Evolva M3 has not changed in the last 5 years) but Kyosho was named as the winning car and as clear as I do see it it is bad, it is fouling the customers as if the original car had won the races.
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