DID TESSMANS HB REALLY WIN THE DNC
02-29-2012, 07:57 PM
#123
I read through this page and I also read through page 1. I missed the middle pages, but I will give my opinion.
I personally think it is terrible that this happens in regards to consumer marketing. I do not know (as I didn't read everything) what Ty had on his car, however, the Hara win was a complete joke from my viewpoint in regards to the industry and I assume he isn't the only guilty party throughout the years.
In my opinion, if the car and the parts are not available for sale, then it should not count as a win. There is a point when it is obvious when someone like Dale Earnhardt won Nascar races, that obviously, a Monte Carlo at the dealership is not the same thing. But unfortunately in the rc world, it is assumed by the masses that the car that won can be bought off the shelf and can be driven by the customer and then expect a similar result.
Now certainly, the average consumer cannot drive like the big boys and Hara certainly does not deserve any less respect for what he did, but it is rediculous to play what wins on Sunday sells on Monday and then dupe the public like they did back then. My opinion is that months later they made a Hara edition just to save face.
Now, if Ty put a commercially available Lightning front end/rear end, etc... on the car, no issue. If Ty ran a hotbodies car and stuck Mugen axles in it because he thought they were better and disclosed it. No harm, no foul in my opinion.
I very specifically ask our people to let me know exactly what they are running and what they modified, but I am a strong believer in ethics. If it takes Kyosho springs and Mugen upper arms to win, so be it, but you can bet that Johnny customer can replicate the exact car on Monday if he wants to. then it is up to his skill level and talent to do the rest.
At what point does a rc car no longer become a car? If you replace the arms? towers? shocks? chassis plate? go by percentage? I think it is a legitimate concern when there is a full page ad saying "buy the winning XYZ brand" when the car that can be purchased is nothing like the one that won.
I personally think it is terrible that this happens in regards to consumer marketing. I do not know (as I didn't read everything) what Ty had on his car, however, the Hara win was a complete joke from my viewpoint in regards to the industry and I assume he isn't the only guilty party throughout the years.
In my opinion, if the car and the parts are not available for sale, then it should not count as a win. There is a point when it is obvious when someone like Dale Earnhardt won Nascar races, that obviously, a Monte Carlo at the dealership is not the same thing. But unfortunately in the rc world, it is assumed by the masses that the car that won can be bought off the shelf and can be driven by the customer and then expect a similar result.
Now certainly, the average consumer cannot drive like the big boys and Hara certainly does not deserve any less respect for what he did, but it is rediculous to play what wins on Sunday sells on Monday and then dupe the public like they did back then. My opinion is that months later they made a Hara edition just to save face.
Now, if Ty put a commercially available Lightning front end/rear end, etc... on the car, no issue. If Ty ran a hotbodies car and stuck Mugen axles in it because he thought they were better and disclosed it. No harm, no foul in my opinion.
I very specifically ask our people to let me know exactly what they are running and what they modified, but I am a strong believer in ethics. If it takes Kyosho springs and Mugen upper arms to win, so be it, but you can bet that Johnny customer can replicate the exact car on Monday if he wants to. then it is up to his skill level and talent to do the rest.
At what point does a rc car no longer become a car? If you replace the arms? towers? shocks? chassis plate? go by percentage? I think it is a legitimate concern when there is a full page ad saying "buy the winning XYZ brand" when the car that can be purchased is nothing like the one that won.
Consumers could of built a "hara edition D8" in HB hop up parts which have been readily available since worlds 2008. The "Hara edition" D8 kit is simply all of the hop ups bundled up in one purchase now with the exception of the 3mm chassis (the original chassis was 4mm) nothing has change suspension geometry wise since the initial product launch in 2008.
02-29-2012, 08:29 PM
#124
The rules do not stipulate that a racer must race a car that is commercially available. The results sheets say "Hot Bodies", they do not say "Hot Bodies D8 with specific modifications" because they don't have to say that. Jesse Robbers finished second with a Hot Bodies car (CR8) that is completely unavailable to the public. Where is the outrage?
Prototype cars and parts are nothing new, in fact a big win with a box stock car is almost unheard of. If the car passes tech, then crosses the line first, then passes tech again. It's a win. End of conversation.
Prototype cars and parts are nothing new, in fact a big win with a box stock car is almost unheard of. If the car passes tech, then crosses the line first, then passes tech again. It's a win. End of conversation.
02-29-2012, 09:06 PM
#126
, his truggy must have been "highly modded" also....LMAOsimple.........the guy can frick'in drive!!!
02-29-2012, 09:11 PM
#127
02-29-2012, 09:19 PM
#128
i hope ty does not come on here and awnser any of this crap, its just the hotbodies haters looking for reasons why he won.
I run hotbodies also, but was hoping Dakotah Phend would win, he is a local racer and a super nice guy!
AWSOME JOB TY! YOU ROCK!
02-29-2012, 09:24 PM
#129
02-29-2012, 09:38 PM
#130
just front and rear hotbodies lightening arms and drivshafts with the truggy rear tower, this hole thread is a joke. he won truggy also, anyone have excuses why he won that class also?, his truggy must have been "highly modded" also....LMAO
simple.........the guy can frick'in drive!!!
, his truggy must have been "highly modded" also....LMAOsimple.........the guy can frick'in drive!!!
I think it's great that Ty and his dad are testing and developing their car, and its obvious they have found something that works! I think its funny when people post that he could have won with a Redcat. At that level of racing when drivers' skill level are almost equal, any slight car advantage will make a big difference in lap times.
02-29-2012, 09:44 PM
#131
02-29-2012, 09:51 PM
#132
Wow..... you guys are trying to argue a point to people who obvious don't race on a regular basis or some most likely don't race at all (BASHERS). That's why they don't understand the evolution of any race kit.
Heres the facts: Ty won, he used the best parts and setup possible for him to go fast and to win against 500+ people who was trying to do the same thing and for the people who do not understand why he put other than stock parts on his car " just keep leaning out your TMaxx or Redcat and have fun". And for the true racers, lets sit back and enjoy 2012 because I believe there will be a lot of new/updated kits released this year.
I think people are using this tread to get their post count up...
Heres the facts: Ty won, he used the best parts and setup possible for him to go fast and to win against 500+ people who was trying to do the same thing and for the people who do not understand why he put other than stock parts on his car " just keep leaning out your TMaxx or Redcat and have fun". And for the true racers, lets sit back and enjoy 2012 because I believe there will be a lot of new/updated kits released this year.
I think people are using this tread to get their post count up...
02-29-2012, 09:54 PM
#133
Wow..... you guys are trying to argue a point to people who obvious don't race on a regular basis or some most likely don't race at all (BASHERS). That's why they don't understand the evolution of any race kit.
Heres the facts: Ty won, he used the best parts and setup possible for him to go fast and to win against 500+ people who was trying to do the same thing and for the people who do not understand why he put other than stock parts on his car " just keep leaning out your TMaxx or Redcat and have fun". And for the true racers, lets sit back and enjoy 2012 because I believe there will be a lot of new/updated kits released this year.
I think people are using this tread to get their post count up...
Heres the facts: Ty won, he used the best parts and setup possible for him to go fast and to win against 500+ people who was trying to do the same thing and for the people who do not understand why he put other than stock parts on his car " just keep leaning out your TMaxx or Redcat and have fun". And for the true racers, lets sit back and enjoy 2012 because I believe there will be a lot of new/updated kits released this year.
I think people are using this tread to get their post count up...
02-29-2012, 11:27 PM
#134
I read most of the post the original post was specific to branding not the driver. If you rep a product with commercial sales via marketing your dealing with a public view. If you say I won with a D8 it should comparable to whats being offering or state the difference.
Reading and viewing the 411 it was very apparent he was running a modified kit this clearly tells the consumer its been modified from original . You cannot take his win away he won by driving using a modded kit.
I personally feel their should be rules applied to keep things consistent then you rely on a driver even more. You cannot say kit performance doesn't win races I often here "he could have won with a tonka toy" which is a stupid comment. If you watch all the high level races every possible edge matters your dealing with seconds per lap per driver it matters.
Reading and viewing the 411 it was very apparent he was running a modified kit this clearly tells the consumer its been modified from original . You cannot take his win away he won by driving using a modded kit.
I personally feel their should be rules applied to keep things consistent then you rely on a driver even more. You cannot say kit performance doesn't win races I often here "he could have won with a tonka toy" which is a stupid comment. If you watch all the high level races every possible edge matters your dealing with seconds per lap per driver it matters.
Last edited by bigjayjay1; 02-29-2012 at 11:39 PM.
03-01-2012, 06:37 AM
#135
Save your strength.........................I'll cry for you.
Post count! LOL
Post count! LOL