Body wraps, whats the point?
03-13-2010, 05:37 AM
#46
well, here's the deal. Here in the midwest I can only get about 40 bucks for a paint job, and every one looks at me like I'm crazy if I try to charge any more than that, they'd rather rattle can a single color than pay more. And I'm not bragging or anything, but I'm pretty good at painting, so I have the luxury of being able to paint myself a nice body.
I was curious though, so I decided to make my own wrap for my 808 xray buggy. It covers the entire body 100% with no gaps, but it could use some tweaking as far as lining my design up better. I have a degree in graphic design, so I might as well use it. I had an auto wrap outfit print it out on the proper wrap material, so it's the real deal, but I have to say I still prefer a good painted body over the wrap.
the 1st buggy is a wrap, the truggy is painted and so is the last buggy picture
I was curious though, so I decided to make my own wrap for my 808 xray buggy. It covers the entire body 100% with no gaps, but it could use some tweaking as far as lining my design up better. I have a degree in graphic design, so I might as well use it. I had an auto wrap outfit print it out on the proper wrap material, so it's the real deal, but I have to say I still prefer a good painted body over the wrap.
the 1st buggy is a wrap, the truggy is painted and so is the last buggy picture
Shoot me an email XL.... wanna run a few things by ya.
[email protected]
03-13-2010, 07:11 AM
#48
the minute you 50-80 dollar paint job gets a chip in it or the paint rubs off your money has been spent in vain ...wraps can be as custom as you want them ...chad at fastlane handled mine and i couldnt be happier ...custom design ..no one else has got it ..and all for less than a "quality" paint job would cost ...i have run his wrap for several races ..no wear and tear at all just wiper er off and you pretty again ....also wraps serve the dual purpose of strenghtening the body ..it is unlikely to get any cracks or breakage versus paint ..once you get wrapped you will never go back to paint ....my .02
03-13-2010, 12:15 PM
#49
Tech Adept
Is this what RCTech has come to, people bitching like little school girls about something that is not really all that important. Come on people get over it, both techs are good.
03-13-2010, 06:11 PM
#50
I would go with the wrap. I've been in this hobby for a while now and i've seen my share of paint chipping bodies. No more of that please. Give me a wrap, some soapy water for adjustment, a heat gun and 15 mins and i'm done with it.
I'll gladly pay $55 for no hassel and longevity.
I'll gladly pay $55 for no hassel and longevity.
03-13-2010, 06:18 PM
#51
Of course both deals are great. Some prefer paint, some wraps..
A few years back Colton Keifer painted all my bodies and does some of the best work out there. I mean a top notch paint job for the racers.
But once I started doing wraps I was hooked for a few reasons.
Chad at fastlanegear.com can get some great detail in a wrap for cheap! Some painters can do it but it would cost a ton! I can get my wraps in bulk and be prepared in advance.
Should anyone want to give www.fastlanegear.com a try email me at [email protected] and I can get you a 20% code off your order. We do a lot of work with them and he gave me that to help people out.
AB
A few years back Colton Keifer painted all my bodies and does some of the best work out there. I mean a top notch paint job for the racers.
But once I started doing wraps I was hooked for a few reasons.
Chad at fastlanegear.com can get some great detail in a wrap for cheap! Some painters can do it but it would cost a ton! I can get my wraps in bulk and be prepared in advance.
Should anyone want to give www.fastlanegear.com a try email me at [email protected] and I can get you a 20% code off your order. We do a lot of work with them and he gave me that to help people out.
AB
03-13-2010, 06:27 PM
#52
I LOVE wraps. One wrap on one body last me all year, which will take 2 painted bodies. My wrap is 100% custom. I strongly doubt seeing anyone with a body like mine. I used a upgrade wrap last year and it took me about 20 mins to put it on while watching family guy. Any my wrap was actually cheaper than getting the exact same thing painted.
Some people like wraps some like paint. some like OS some like RB - - - this will be an argument that will never provide an answer your curiosity, since you already dont like wraps.
Oh and I hear alot of weight comments. Do people really think they would win races if they had the lightest cars?
Some people like wraps some like paint. some like OS some like RB - - - this will be an argument that will never provide an answer your curiosity, since you already dont like wraps.
Oh and I hear alot of weight comments. Do people really think they would win races if they had the lightest cars?
On mine we are talking grams difference. It's not that big of a deal.
03-13-2010, 06:51 PM
#53
I like wraps because the fact you can replicate it a million times when ever you get new bodys also to match all your pit stuff and gear
01-26-2011, 05:56 PM
#54
Tech Regular
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Enjoy it
#275 of 285 by Greg Heckert (xb8drivr) on Sat Dec 25 07:21:03 2010:
but don't you paint the inside to hide the seams?
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#276 of 285 by charles garten (porkchop) on Sat Dec 25 10:13:32 2010:
idiot greg paco stuff has no seams it full body
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#277 of 285 by Greg Heckert (xb8drivr) on Sat Dec 25 11:59:49 2010:
I understand that Chops. Paco found a way to wrap them without seams.
For others, they need paint in there still.
________________________________________
#278 of 285 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Sat Dec 25 12:47:45 2010:
Paco sorry to tell you but I've been there done that. Stickers are
fine
for logo's. Personal preference I like paint. :/
Chad's done 3 sweet full body wraps for me and Seann Anderson before
him
did a few.
Charles they still have seams. There will always be edges that peel or
curl. Those I can live with. It's when you do designs they never quite
lay or line up perfect It's why I went back to paint.
Ok the above is what is written in the JQ products thread an I do not
want to pollute it so I answer here.
All are decals but what are the differences from several manufacturers?
It is not a secret.
Make up your own opinion! :-)
Upgrade RC (usa)
Ryan Pursely started this whole wrapping business few years back. If I
am not mistaken Kazz has taken over the business. Nice wonderful semi
custom designs using 12 mill (0.24 mm) thick laminated vinyl. The body
wraps do have seams clearly visible so these body wraps need 2 or more
colors paint at the inside to make the whole design ready.
Fastlane Graphix (usa)
Chad Brosseau running this shop started with full custom designs but
currently has semi custom designs too. Also here the designs second to
none using 12 mill(0.24 mm) laminated vinyl. Some of the body wraps
need 2 or more colors paint at the inside to make the whole design
ready.
TNT-FX (usa)
Tres running this shop only doing full custom designs. Also here the
designs are excellent. We do not know the thickness he use for vinyl
and if the bodies need to be painted inside.
CRD (The Netherlands)
We started 3 years ago by making our own decals in home use printable
vinyl wit our desktop printer. When Dutch drivers saw this we slowly
started to make them for others too.
But the right vinyl was the problem. So I asked Chad and he kindly
named the brand and type he used. As this brand is not available in
Europe we went to the nearest professional print shop and presented
our needs and problems. The print shop gave some options to try and so
some prototypes were made. One thing we found out quickly that the
thick vinyl was not giving us the best result we aimed for. So in the
end we used 3 mill (0.08 mm) thick polymer vinyl with same thickness
lamination. A full CRD body decal is 0.16 mm thick (6 mill).
The benefit of this lesser thickness is we can overlap seams 1 mm
without any problem.
Yes all model car wraps have seams but at CRD as we overlap seams
where needed so we can state we have full body wraps that do not
require any paint at the inside to cover open seams.
First thing that comes in mind is that the thinner vinyl we use is
wearing more quickly or is getting torn up at the edges easily as
others are using twice as thick vinyl. Our testing with 2 years old
wrapped and raced bodies show we are confident in what we produce and
the materials used. So the thinner vinyl is not worse over thicker but
has the advantage over less weight compared to thicker vinyl.
We had one claim overall for a defective body wrap. The guy who
applied the decals cleaned the body before use with washing petrol!
This washing petrol gives a greasy layer when dried. If you after this
clean the body with a water and soap mixture there is no problem with
the adhesion of the vinyl. We prepared a new wrap and applied it
ourselves as service and today after 1 year the body is still used.
We at CRD only produce full customer request custom designs. We do not
just put different outlines templates over existing graphic designs.
We try to design so all seams are 99% taken into the design where
possible and flowing graphics are the result. Take a look at our
bodies we already made for the results of that.
The other benefit of wrapping a body with vinyl and not using any
paint inside is that the body is less prone to premature ageing due to
the solvents used to bond the paint to the polycarbonate body.
We might have forgotten to mention other wrappers and their
specialties, we apologize for that in advance :-)
The world is full of making decisions every day. Make the one that is
the right one for you.
With kind regards,
Paco Raap, Custom Racing Decal, The Netherlands
BTW body painter do nice jobs too.
But we are now in a different timezone where vinyl ..................
Enjoy it
#275 of 285 by Greg Heckert (xb8drivr) on Sat Dec 25 07:21:03 2010:
but don't you paint the inside to hide the seams?
________________________________________
#276 of 285 by charles garten (porkchop) on Sat Dec 25 10:13:32 2010:
idiot greg paco stuff has no seams it full body
________________________________________
#277 of 285 by Greg Heckert (xb8drivr) on Sat Dec 25 11:59:49 2010:
I understand that Chops. Paco found a way to wrap them without seams.
For others, they need paint in there still.
________________________________________
#278 of 285 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Sat Dec 25 12:47:45 2010:
Paco sorry to tell you but I've been there done that. Stickers are
fine
for logo's. Personal preference I like paint. :/
Chad's done 3 sweet full body wraps for me and Seann Anderson before
him
did a few.
Charles they still have seams. There will always be edges that peel or
curl. Those I can live with. It's when you do designs they never quite
lay or line up perfect It's why I went back to paint.
Ok the above is what is written in the JQ products thread an I do not
want to pollute it so I answer here.
All are decals but what are the differences from several manufacturers?
It is not a secret.
Make up your own opinion! :-)
Upgrade RC (usa)
Ryan Pursely started this whole wrapping business few years back. If I
am not mistaken Kazz has taken over the business. Nice wonderful semi
custom designs using 12 mill (0.24 mm) thick laminated vinyl. The body
wraps do have seams clearly visible so these body wraps need 2 or more
colors paint at the inside to make the whole design ready.
Fastlane Graphix (usa)
Chad Brosseau running this shop started with full custom designs but
currently has semi custom designs too. Also here the designs second to
none using 12 mill(0.24 mm) laminated vinyl. Some of the body wraps
need 2 or more colors paint at the inside to make the whole design
ready.
TNT-FX (usa)
Tres running this shop only doing full custom designs. Also here the
designs are excellent. We do not know the thickness he use for vinyl
and if the bodies need to be painted inside.
CRD (The Netherlands)
We started 3 years ago by making our own decals in home use printable
vinyl wit our desktop printer. When Dutch drivers saw this we slowly
started to make them for others too.
But the right vinyl was the problem. So I asked Chad and he kindly
named the brand and type he used. As this brand is not available in
Europe we went to the nearest professional print shop and presented
our needs and problems. The print shop gave some options to try and so
some prototypes were made. One thing we found out quickly that the
thick vinyl was not giving us the best result we aimed for. So in the
end we used 3 mill (0.08 mm) thick polymer vinyl with same thickness
lamination. A full CRD body decal is 0.16 mm thick (6 mill).
The benefit of this lesser thickness is we can overlap seams 1 mm
without any problem.
Yes all model car wraps have seams but at CRD as we overlap seams
where needed so we can state we have full body wraps that do not
require any paint at the inside to cover open seams.
First thing that comes in mind is that the thinner vinyl we use is
wearing more quickly or is getting torn up at the edges easily as
others are using twice as thick vinyl. Our testing with 2 years old
wrapped and raced bodies show we are confident in what we produce and
the materials used. So the thinner vinyl is not worse over thicker but
has the advantage over less weight compared to thicker vinyl.
We had one claim overall for a defective body wrap. The guy who
applied the decals cleaned the body before use with washing petrol!
This washing petrol gives a greasy layer when dried. If you after this
clean the body with a water and soap mixture there is no problem with
the adhesion of the vinyl. We prepared a new wrap and applied it
ourselves as service and today after 1 year the body is still used.
We at CRD only produce full customer request custom designs. We do not
just put different outlines templates over existing graphic designs.
We try to design so all seams are 99% taken into the design where
possible and flowing graphics are the result. Take a look at our
bodies we already made for the results of that.
The other benefit of wrapping a body with vinyl and not using any
paint inside is that the body is less prone to premature ageing due to
the solvents used to bond the paint to the polycarbonate body.
We might have forgotten to mention other wrappers and their
specialties, we apologize for that in advance :-)
The world is full of making decisions every day. Make the one that is
the right one for you.
With kind regards,
Paco Raap, Custom Racing Decal, The Netherlands
BTW body painter do nice jobs too.
But we are now in a different timezone where vinyl ..................
01-26-2011, 07:20 PM
#56
Personally I don't use wraps because I want to paint my own stuff, I consider it part of the R/C expieriance and I like to do as much as possible myself. Much more gratifying when you do it yourself, but I also prefer designs that aren't so wild which is good because I'm not the best painter so it works out but I still want my stuff to look good and I think it does. This is strictly my opinion but it seems many just look for an easier way and I think thats sad, when you do it yourself it just has more personallity or your signature if you will. I guess theres nothing wrong with doing a wrap but I think there's more satisfation when you paint it yourself and it looks good. Just my opinion though.
01-26-2011, 08:23 PM
#57
painting bodys
I like to build my own ride pick my motor, clutch , tires wheels and many other things and the paint job is just as important to me as every thing else. I love to paint my self not the best but it is me. If you are not one with it it is not you.may be not the best paint ever but it rocks. wraps would never do it for me. try to paint your own body just once it will be so cool.
the hawg
the hawg
01-26-2011, 09:39 PM
#58
Personally I don't use wraps because I want to paint my own stuff, I consider it part of the R/C expieriance and I like to do as much as possible myself. Much more gratifying when you do it yourself, but I also prefer designs that aren't so wild which is good because I'm not the best painter so it works out but I still want my stuff to look good and I think it does. This is strictly my opinion but it seems many just look for an easier way and I think thats sad, when you do it yourself it just has more personallity or your signature if you will. I guess theres nothing wrong with doing a wrap but I think there's more satisfation when you paint it yourself and it looks good. Just my opinion though.
01-26-2011, 10:13 PM
#59
im not saying paint or wraps are better than each outher but im kinda interested in trying one.who makes seemless kits so you dnt have cut lines.do you know any companys that do it this way?
