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Old 04-27-2009, 11:07 AM
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LOL. Lap times from this weekend at the JBRL round 1 race

A MAIN EXPERT BUGGY
the column under the red time are the fastest lap times of the race.

1 CODY KING 3 18 10:03.010 31.847 1
2 RYAN CAVALIERI 11 18 10:08.067 32.094 5.057 1999
3 RYAN LUTZ 6 18 10:09.747 32.364 1.680 4
4 MIKE TRUHE 4 18 10:31.554 33.057 21.807 9
5 MARK PAVIDIS 5 18 10:32.493 33.614 0.939 3
6 TY TESSMANN 9 18 10:33.518 32.977 1.025 7
7 TAYLOR PETERSEN 2 17 10:26.253 33.477 8
8 CLINT WACHTER 12 17 10:28.023 33.156 1.770 1999
9 KYLE JOHNSON 10 17 10:33.213 34.300 5.190 10
10 ROMAN MILLER 1 17 10:33.638 33.958 0.425 5
11 MATT CASTELLANO 7 16 10:04.333 35.030 6
12 TODD HODGE 13 1 43.335 1999
13 RYAN MAIFIELD 8 0 0.000 2

Now look at the SPORTSMAN times. They had a intermediate class to race but these pussies chose to sandbag instead. Pro's top 10 pro's were running 35 second lap times. I have no Idea why JBRL does not monitor lap times and bump accordingly.

1 RYAN CAMPBELL 4 16 10:28.388 35.404 1
2 SCOTT RAPOPORT 11 16 10:36.918 36.522 8.530 1999
3 VINCE DEL CAMPO 12 15 10:02.301 36.208 1999
4 JAY NEILL 8 15 10:04.754 36.282 2.453 7
5 CODY ROTHE 1 15 10:09.114 35.366 4.360 4
6 GIL ALONTAGA 7 15 10:10.684 36.114 1.570 3
7 CECILIA 2 15 10:35.460 37.493 24.776 8
8 JASON SMELTZER 3 15 10:35.490 36.708 0.030 5
9 SILAS HESS 5 12 8:25.463 36.118 10
10 MIKE BERNI 13 12 9:00.262 38.078 34.799 1999
11 MIKE HOLTSCLAW 10 9 6:27.678 38.742 9
12 DANE JACKSON 9 8 5:27.561 38.390 6
13 J SMOKER 6 4 3:10.332 43.246 2
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I feel ya man. I was in the Sportsman E main and I too saw a bit of sandbagging out there. Like that one kid who bumped up to the sportsman A main from the I main. There was some hacks out there as well but that is sportsman. All in all I had a great time, just wish that people would sign up for the right class and not worry about dominating a lesser class, these races are about fun anyway.
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Where are the results listed?
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I might be novice but weren't they slower with the higher number?
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Originally Posted by thuren View Post
Where are the results listed?
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I finished 7th in the F MAIN and my fastest lap was a 38. 1st place had a 34. Sorry but lap times like that belong in the intermediate class not sportsman,

Don't get me wrong I had a blast, but just don't understand how someone can feel good about beating people in a class they should not be racing in....LOL

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Thanks got it!

Well, club racing I have started to race expert and raced Int at Thunder alley, and thats pretty normal I think. 34's in sportsman is pretty much sandbagging I agree. My fastest laps were mid 34's.
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i had a idea and told my buddy who has a track, i dont know how well it would work w/ scoring system but i think it would help alot more then calling sand baggers out after qauls everyone is way to busy getn ready including race director

run 2 rounds all buggys together then all truggys ....then resort and divide into 2or3 classes depending how many entries you have...based on qual results= slow group/sportsman---middle group/open---fast/pro then they have a round in there classes to qaul

if a racer has broke in each first 2 rounds(unlikely) compare the good lap/times they have had and find what class they should be in letn him qaul if they break again the would be in lowest main in the class u put them in

the classes could be broke down uneven...say u have 150 total entries only 30 guys are really fast they could make the pro class...then you have 80 guys that are sorta close to each other there a little slower--open class
then you have 40 guys 20 are off the pace and then 20 others like me just bashing away...lol thats a true sportsman class

the only guys that would complain are the ones who like to sandbag in the first place! IMO

i know it wouldnt work with rc-pro races ....but big and club races i think it could WHAT DOES EVERYONE ELSE THINK?

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Originally Posted by thuren View Post
Thanks got it!

Well, club racing I have started to race expert and raced Int at Thunder alley, and thats pretty normal I think. 34's in sportsman is pretty much sandbagging I agree. My fastest laps were mid 34's.
Bingo. Those are some pretty good lap times. Just below PRO so you entered the right class. It's not the end of the world and Im not gonna have a bum day over it. I never had a good race, this was my first time racing besides one club race. I was so nervous and then didn't get the second quali (thank god damn it was a slow day) the track was sick......and I will be at ARC for the next round.
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Not to flame your thread, but I was say those people are right where they were supposed to be. 4-5 second slower lap times should not be run with the pro drivers. 5 seconds is huge when racing, and that's about the average difference between Pro and sportsman. It's supposed to be fun. When it gets to you too much, get mean and beat em!!
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Originally Posted by Jaz240 View Post
Not to flame your thread, but I was say those people are right where they were supposed to be. 4-5 second slower lap times should not be run with the pro drivers. 5 seconds is huge when racing, and that's about the average difference between Pro and sportsman. It's supposed to be fun. When it gets to you too much, get mean and beat em!!
It's called the intermediate class. Look at the lap times some pro's were 35 so how is a 34 ok for the sportsmanclass? they should have been in the intermediate class. Relax Im not all hot and bothered by it. I just found it suprising to see so many fast guys sandbagging that's all.
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There were a ton of sponsored drivers running sportmen. The rule was if you were top 3 from last year sportsmen, you had to move to int. 2 of them stayed and raced sportsmen again.
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There were a ton of sponsored drivers running sportmen. The rule was if you were top 3 from last year sportsmen, you had to move to int. 2 of them stayed and raced sportsmen again.
I recognize your truggy in your sig. Did you break in your race? I remember seing it on the brick wall.

Really? Jimmy sounded like he was good at keeping records.....

guess not.
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hmmmmmm..did i read the post right? Car/laps/time/fastlap.....if u ran sportsman 16laps 10:39 and that would have put u in the pro b-main...u probally shouldnt have been in that class when there was over 300 entries
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Originally Posted by everyjuangohome View Post
I recognize your truggy in your sig. Did you break in your race? I remember seing it on the brick wall.

Really? Jimmy sounded like he was good at keeping records.....

guess not.
I was having major tuning issues. Saturday, i blew my truggy motor, and put a back GRP in. During warmup, it decided to become fully broken in, and richen up like crazy, so i had no power. After losing 2 minutes to tuning, i finally was able to run. To late by then. For buggy, i ripped the rear on off on the back jump. All in all, a $600 weekend for 34 minutes of race time.
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