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Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5278519)
This guys video say other words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrE4-jHUNXQ This is the only actual bashing I've found for the Mugen MBX5T. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTGvS...ext=1&index=22 Here is also a savage bashing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0iCW9VYqlU Also, I'm not saying it's a bad truck. Sand is a very soft landing...doesn't take much to stay together jumping in sand.... The Mugen is many times over more durable then the Hellfire is...you would be much better off to buy a Mugen ! its honestly not even a fair comparison... The Hellfire's may be decent enough to plink around in your yard, which is why I say unless the price is dirt cheap, and I mean dirt cheap ! do not buy it..... Even if you paid more for the Mugen initially you would end up saving money over the long run as the Mugen is going to break much less........ So its up to you, if you love wrenching and fixxing buy the HPI, if you prefer to run all day instead buy the Mugen...... Also to consider is the Mugen is an awesome performing machine, the Hellfire is not anywhere near as capable as the Mugen.... So not only will the Mugen outbash and outlast the HPI it will also runs circles around it in any form of performance comparison ...truly we are comparing two different classes of machine here......... |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5278673)
Sand is a very soft landing...doesn't take much to stay together jumping in sand.... The Mugen is many times over more durable then the Hellfire is...you would be much better off to buy a Mugen ! its honestly not even a fair comparison... The Hellfire's may be decent enough to plink around in your yard, which is why I say unless the price is dirt cheap, and I mean dirt cheap ! do not buy it..... Even if you paid more for the Mugen initially you would end up saving money over the long run as the Mugen is going to break much less........ So its up to you, if you love wrenching and fixxing buy the HPI, if you prefer to run all day instead buy the Mugen...... Also to consider is the Mugen is an awesome performing machine, the Hellfire is not anywhere near as capable as the Mugen.... So not only will the Mugen outbash and outlast the HPI it will also runs circles around it in any form of performance comparison ...truly we are comparing two different classes of machine here.........
Just to add, the Mugen MBX5T is a strong truck, but don't think you can launch it over your house and drop it sideways and expect it not to stay together because you can't land a jump to save your life. They are tough but can still break. |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5278673)
Sand is a very soft landing...doesn't take much to stay together jumping in sand.... The Mugen is many times over more durable then the Hellfire is...you would be much better off to buy a Mugen ! its honestly not even a fair comparison... The Hellfire's may be decent enough to plink around in your yard, which is why I say unless the price is dirt cheap, and I mean dirt cheap ! do not buy it..... Even if you paid more for the Mugen initially you would end up saving money over the long run as the Mugen is going to break much less........ So its up to you, if you love wrenching and fixxing buy the HPI, if you prefer to run all day instead buy the Mugen...... Also to consider is the Mugen is an awesome performing machine, the Hellfire is not anywhere near as capable as the Mugen.... So not only will the Mugen outbash and outlast the HPI it will also runs circles around it in any form of performance comparison ...truly we are comparing two different classes of machine here.........
IMO the Savage is one of the toughest R/C out there. I'll run your mugen over with it see who come out the other side :sneaky::D |
Originally Posted by ezveedub
(Post 5278700)
+1, Funny reads in here.
Just to add, the Mugen MBX5T is a strong truck, but don't think you can launch it over your house and drop it sideways and expect it not to stay together because you can't land a jump to save your life. They are tough but can still break. My PBS does not suffer from any slop whatsoever, Mugen plastic is some of the best plastic your going to find on any RC, definitely a big step above HPI..... I had a Hellfire and several Savages and HPI does not build a product as well as Mugen does, I do not mean this as a personal insult to any HPI fans either...But the fact is Mugen builds an awesome well thought out product, they use high grade materials and are as bullet proof as any RC can be..... HPI does a decent job, but they don't have the same level of quality , so if both machines can be bought for the same money the Mugen is a much better option.... |
Originally Posted by ezveedub
(Post 5278700)
+1, Funny reads in here.
Just to add, the Mugen MBX5T is a strong truck, but don't think you can launch it over your house and drop it sideways and expect it not to stay together because you can't land a jump to save your life. They are tough but can still break. My PBS does not suffer from any slop whatsoever, Mugen plastic is some of the best plastic your going to find on any RC, definitely a step above HPI plastic..... I had a Hellfire and several Savages and HPI does not build a product as well as Mugen does, I do not mean this as a personal insult to any HPI fans either...But the fact is Mugen builds an awesome well thought out product, they use high grade materials and are as bullet proof as any RC can be..... HPI does a decent job, but they don't have the same level of quality , so if both machines can be bought for the same money the Mugen is a much better option.... In the end if you beleive Hellfire is a better bet then a Mugen that is fine, I am not looking to start a fight or anything like that... You can take my advice or leave it, i truly don't care either way...its definitely not worth it to me to fight over it thats for sure... I have owned both machines and truly feel the quality and durability advantage the Mugen has is quite profound and with Mugen's selling used for $200.00 it makes a tough case for anyone to buy a Hellfire when for the same coin you can get the Mugen... The Mugen is one of the most successful popular Truggy platform ever, and the Hellfire is probably one of the most disliked and least popular.... If the HF was truly that good why was it such a flop and if the Mugen was that bad then why was it so successful... |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5278673)
Sand is a very soft landing...doesn't take much to stay together jumping in sand.... The Mugen is many times over more durable then the Hellfire is...you would be much better off to buy a Mugen ! its honestly not even a fair comparison... The Hellfire's may be decent enough to plink around in your yard, which is why I say unless the price is dirt cheap, and I mean dirt cheap ! do not buy it..... Even if you paid more for the Mugen initially you would end up saving money over the long run as the Mugen is going to break much less........ So its up to you, if you love wrenching and fixxing buy the HPI, if you prefer to run all day instead buy the Mugen...... Also to consider is the Mugen is an awesome performing machine, the Hellfire is not anywhere near as capable as the Mugen.... So not only will the Mugen outbash and outlast the HPI it will also runs circles around it in any form of performance comparison ...truly we are comparing two different classes of machine here.........
See, you didn't watch the entire video. Half way into the video he's jumping a gravel hill. Gravel is not soft. He was jumping atleast 15ft, with that hellfire. And for obvious reasons I posted that one where he's jumping the mugen cause that's the only good one I could find of the mugen. All of the other ones were on a track. I don't know why you compared a Savage to a truggy. That's beyond me. |
Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5278854)
See, you didn't watch the entire video. Half way into the video he's jumping a gravel hill. Gravel is not soft. He was jumping atleast 15ft, with that hellfire. And for obvious reasons I posted that one where he's jumping the mugen cause that's the only good one I could find of the mugen. All of the other ones were on a track. I don't know why you compared a Savage to a truggy. That's beyond me.
I compared it to a Savage to give you an idea how tough the Mugen is... trust me mate, there is no contest between the two brands.... Either way buy what you want ! |
Hellfire didn't flop or fail because of design exactly. Your avg racer wants someone to tell them how to set it up and have that "factroy driver" behind it. Hpi didn't do that so what that don't mean it flop or was disliked like you said. R/C world right now is like the Auto industry was in the 60's win on Sunday sell on Monday. Have factroy supported driver and run big ads in every magazine and website. Hpi kind of over built the truggy since it's so stiff with very little chassis flex.
PBS still suck been there done that. Give me C-hub or Hellfire style front suspension like Xray, Losi, Hot bodies use right now |
I was gonna say some funny sh-t but you guys don't deserve it ... I mean I'm sitting here trying to watch the Chargers Game and you guys won't give it a rest.i know a guy that can take that dam hell fire and run the piss out of it and if it breaks he knows a guy that will fix and sell it on E-Bay to somebody dumb!!!
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Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5279358)
I compared it to a Savage to give you an idea how tough the Mugen is... trust me mate, there is no contest between the two brands.... Either way buy what you want !
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Originally Posted by Joey Platinum
(Post 5279469)
I was gonna say some funny sh-t but you guys don't deserve it ... I mean I'm sitting here trying to watch the Chargers Game and you guys won't give it a rest.i know a guy that can take that dam hell fire and run the piss out of it and if it breaks he knows a guy that will fix and sell it on E-Bay to somebody dumb!!!
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pdmustgt- dont u run a bce chassis? and i believe u have been running it for awhile so make sure you let people know all the hop-ups you've done to yours before you tell people theres nothing wrong with the hellfire please
i ran the hellfire ss for a whole race season 3yrs ago its an ok truggy but you HAVE to modify it alot for it to be durable and fast and now its kinda out dated |
Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5279608)
I doubt a mugen can take a beating like the Savage can.
I run Savages all the time.... Trust me mate, the Mugen will take abuse that would turn the Savage into a pile of parts.... |
Originally Posted by rkhess
(Post 5280339)
pdmustgt- dont u run a bce chassis? and i believe u have been running it for awhile so make sure you let people know all the hop-ups you've done to yours before you tell people theres nothing wrong with the hellfire please
i ran the hellfire ss for a whole race season 3yrs ago its an ok truggy but you HAVE to modify it alot for it to be durable and fast and now its kinda out dated Tell me if mods really count?????? Just about everyone mods there r/c vehicle no matter who makes it. Hell I mod my RC8 with big bore shocks does this mean it was junk before the mod UMM NO. Again theres nothing wrong with it |
Originally Posted by rkhess
(Post 5280339)
pdmustgt- dont u run a bce chassis? and i believe u have been running it for awhile so make sure you let people know all the hop-ups you've done to yours before you tell people theres nothing wrong with the hellfire please
i ran the hellfire ss for a whole race season 3yrs ago its an ok truggy but you HAVE to modify it alot for it to be durable and fast and now its kinda out dated My brother has my SS kit has been racing it for over a yr. The only that we changed like mine was to change the front outer hinge pins to bolt style pins and lightning diff. In my book that lightly modded |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5280562)
I run Savages all the time.... Trust me mate, the Mugen will take abuse that would turn the Savage into a pile of parts....
I wont believe that a truggy will ever be able to take a beating a Savage could. Also, how are you going to try and compare a hopped up truck to a stock one? I just don't understand...I bet people would bash a lot with Truggies if they were as tough as a savage or another monster truck. I'm sure some people do, but I doubt not nearly as hard. |
There is a reason that a high end truggy kit with no radio gear and no engine will set you back more than any RTR Savage. That reason is quality of parts and R&D.
Take it from somebody that owns a Mugen and a Savage... Don't get me wrong, I love my Savage, and it's a blast, and it's tough, but truggies are TOUGH. |
Originally Posted by T-BirdJunkie
(Post 5281448)
There is a reason that a high end truggy kit with no radio gear and no engine will set you back more than any RTR Savage. That reason is quality of parts and R&D.
Take it from somebody that owns a Mugen and a Savage... Don't get me wrong, I love my Savage, and it's a blast, and it's tough, but truggies are TOUGH. |
All I'm saying is my cheesy-ass XTM X-terminator was as tough as my Savage. there is no reason for you to not believe the MBX5T is tougher.
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I club raced the Hellfire for two seasons...I never had a DNF due to a breakage...the only DNF's I had were due to maintenance issues on my part (clutch bell, wheel nut, dead battery).
It's all about maintenance. If you don't maintain your vehicles properly they will break. |
I am a fan of the Hellfire. I have owned 2 (a RTR and a SS kit)
They kept up with pretty much all of the high-end truggies out there and were tough as nails. If they still made the SS kit I would pick up another 1 and convert it to brushless. My SS had a RB C6 in it that moved! I really miss that truggy. RTR http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...i/IMG_0547.jpg SS http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...i/IMG_1238.jpg |
Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5281597)
I never said they weren't. I'm buying a truggy. I'm just saying that I doubt it's as strong as a Savage. That's it. Not saying I disagree with you about them being tough/strong. I can't wait till I get mine. I'll probably have it broke within the first few hours of driving it. I'm just rough on cars. I mash on them. I'll always think the savage is stronger.
I used to think that way too...at one time I thought the Savages were the toughest RC ever.... However I gotta say that i couldnt have been further from the truth.... Savages breakdown much more then a Truggy does, me and my group have been running both Savages and Truggies and after 2 seasons and over 100 gallons of fuel combined we now realize how much stronger and more reliable the Truggies are....We always find we are wrenching on the Savages, there is always something wrong... spur gear, 2 speed, outdrives, diff's, dogbones etc...no matter what the Savages are always breaking and needing parts.... The Savage drivetrain is very weak, we are constantly blowing diffs and /3 speeds when running our modded Picco 28's...The Mugen however has no issues handling a modified Picco 28, I have 30 gallons on my original set of diffs.......... Anyways to make a long story short, people rarely bash with a race grade Truggy because 99% of people who buy Mugen's are racers, 99% of bashers wrongly feel HPI is the best company for bashing and they are almost always unwilling to try anything else...so as a rule racers buy racer gear, and bashers stick to the low end RTR gear...... However I promise you that if you were take a Savage and a MBX5T for a whole season of bashing like I did you would see as clear as day the Truggy is far more durable and reliable, you will spend way more money keeping your Savage running then you will spend keeping the Mugen running... as well you will spend way more money on needed hoppups for the Savage that the Mugen will not need.... Savage's aren't all what they are cracked up to be, IMO they are very expensive and unreliable, they require a constant stream of upgrades, and their drietrains are terrible.... |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5282327)
I used to think that way too...at one time I thought the Savages were the toughest RC ever.... However I gotta say that i couldnt have been further from the truth.... Savages breakdown much more then a Truggy does, me and my group have been running both Savages and Truggies and after 2 seasons and over 100 gallons of fuel combined we now realize how much stronger and more reliable the Truggies are....We always find we are wrenching on the Savages, there is always something wrong... spur gear, 2 speed, outdrives, diff's, dogbones etc...no matter what the Savages are always breaking and needing parts.... The Savage drivetrain is very weak, we are constantly blowing diffs and /3 speeds when running our modded Picco 28's...The Mugen however has no issues handling a modified Picco 28, I have 30 gallons on my original set of diffs..........
Anyways to make a long story short, people rarely bash with a race grade Truggy because 99% of people who buy Mugen's are racers, 99% of bashers wrongly feel HPI is the best company for bashing and they are almost always unwilling to try anything else...so as a rule racers buy racer gear, and bashers stick to the low end RTR gear...... However I promise you that if you were take a Savage and a MBX5T for a whole season of bashing like I did you would see as clear as day the Truggy is far more durable and reliable, you will spend way more money keeping your Savage running then you will spend keeping the Mugen running... as well you will spend way more money on needed hoppups for the Savage that the Mugen will not need.... Savage's aren't all what they are cracked up to be, IMO they are very expensive and unreliable, they require a constant stream of upgrades, and their drietrains are terrible.... I'm still not going to believe you because we have two Savage's here, an X and a XL and they run fine. They both could be fired right up and driven. |
Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5282953)
I'm still not going to believe you because we have two Savage's here, an X and a XL and they run fine. They both could be fired right up and driven.
thats fine, to each their own.... however one day when you bash with a quality Truggy your going to see exactly what I am telling you.... I used to feel exactly the same way as you do, so I can definitely understand your skepticism on the subject..... These days I couldn't be bothered running a MT, way too much work to keep em running if you bash hard ! |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5283021)
thats fine, to each their own.... however one day when you bash with a quality Truggy your going to see exactly what I am telling you.... I used to feel exactly the same way as you do, so I can definitely understand your skepticism on the subject..... These days I couldn't be bothered running a MT, way too much work to keep em running if you bash hard !
We'll see. Thanks for not giving me the Pro's and Con's of the Hellfire. |
Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5283114)
We'll see. Thanks for not giving me the Pro's and Con's of the Hellfire.
I liked the hellfire at the time I ran it... It was definitely a much better handling machine then my Revo was, we broke several control arms and chewed a few diff's, however for the most part it was good for its time... The fuel tank is one of the best, it tunes very nicely from full to empty... working on the HF is a bit of a pain if i remember correctly, but not nearly as bad as a Revo or Savage....... On the track the HF did decent also, it has no issue beating up any of the MT's, and could hang with the Truggies of that day, LSP, XUT etc.. But once the CRT and MBX5T came around I no longer ran the HF, the newer trucks were IMO much better racers.....For what it is the there is nothing wrong with the Hellfire really and if your dead set on one then by all means go for it.....If all your doing is bashing then the HF will do just fine, and if your already impressed with the Savage's durability then the Hellfire is going to also make you happy ! how much can you buy the HF for ? |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5283392)
I liked the hellfire at the time I ran it... It was definitely a much better handling machine then my Revo was, we broke several control arms and chewed a few diff's, however for the most part it was good for its time... The fuel tank is one of the best, it tunes very nicely from full to empty... working on the HF is a bit of a pain if i remember correctly, but not nearly as bad as a Revo or Savage....... On the track the HF did decent also, it has no issue beating up any of the MT's, and could hang with the Truggies of that day, LSP, XUT etc.. But once the CRT and MBX5T came around I no longer ran the HF, the newer trucks were IMO much better racers.....For what it is the there is nothing wrong with the Hellfire really and if your dead set on one then by all means go for it.....If all your doing is bashing then the HF will do just fine, and if your already impressed with the Savage's durability then the Hellfire is going to also make you happy ! how much can you buy the HF for ?
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dvx...the BST forum on RCtech is littered with MBX5Ts for $200ish.
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Originally Posted by T-BirdJunkie
(Post 5284132)
dvx...the BST forum on RCtech is littered with MBX5Ts for $200ish.
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Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5284602)
That is a deal of the century.... for $200.00 to be able to buy a MBX5T Prospec is unreal..I guess being one of the most popular truggies means there are plenty being sold used..... without any insult meant to a hellfire owner, but to be able to buy a used Mugen MBX5T for cheaper then a used Hellfire is unbelievable.....
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Originally Posted by Dvx400Rider
(Post 5284774)
$200 for a roller. I'm not getting it as a roller. I'm getting it as an RTR.
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+1 maximo, you read my mind.
YEAH! K4.6 and RTR servos! Can't wait!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOH! sexy beast of a truck.... Alternatively, I know a guy who is selling a new-built Hellfire SS sans engine, if you're dead set on a Hellfire |
Originally Posted by T-BirdJunkie
(Post 5284846)
+1 maximo, you read my mind.
YEAH! K4.6 and RTR servos! Can't wait!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOH! sexy beast of a truck.... Alternatively, I know a guy who is selling a new-built Hellfire SS sans engine, if you're dead set on a Hellfire |
Originally Posted by Maximo
(Post 5282327)
I used to think that way too...at one time I thought the Savages were the toughest RC ever.... However I gotta say that i couldnt have been further from the truth.... Savages breakdown much more then a Truggy does, me and my group have been running both Savages and Truggies and after 2 seasons and over 100 gallons of fuel combined we now realize how much stronger and more reliable the Truggies are....We always find we are wrenching on the Savages, there is always something wrong... spur gear, 2 speed, outdrives, diff's, dogbones etc...no matter what the Savages are always breaking and needing parts.... The Savage drivetrain is very weak, we are constantly blowing diffs and /3 speeds when running our modded Picco 28's...The Mugen however has no issues handling a modified Picco 28, I have 30 gallons on my original set of diffs..........
Anyways to make a long story short, people rarely bash with a race grade Truggy because 99% of people who buy Mugen's are racers, 99% of bashers wrongly feel HPI is the best company for bashing and they are almost always unwilling to try anything else...so as a rule racers buy racer gear, and bashers stick to the low end RTR gear...... However I promise you that if you were take a Savage and a MBX5T for a whole season of bashing like I did you would see as clear as day the Truggy is far more durable and reliable, you will spend way more money keeping your Savage running then you will spend keeping the Mugen running... as well you will spend way more money on needed hoppups for the Savage that the Mugen will not need.... Savage's aren't all what they are cracked up to be, IMO they are very expensive and unreliable, they require a constant stream of upgrades, and their drietrains are terrible.... Sorry but I disagree bashing vs racing. Racing is controlled and prepped track with lots of waiting to run 2 or 3 heats with 10 to 20 min mains. Bashing in most cases rough areas jumping it with no landing ramps, balls to wall. With some of the extreme things I've done to my Savage or what you seen on the net no truggy or buggy will live through that. Theres some massive jumps I seen break your little mugen in 2 (bowed chassis)I have seen this before but never faze the Savage or M/T. Bashing dump more fuel in and keep going. I've used more fuel bashing in 1 day than 1 month of racing. So you tell me again which is harder on a r/c vehicle. Alot of claim they broke this and that then go online say I broke it. But never tell anyone the truth on HOW they broke the part. I never have broke a control arm on my Hellfire bent front inner pins never broke any control arms. Never blew diffs out either. Most diff are blown out when you struck on the pipe. 1 side of the tires are on the ground the other side in the air you sit there gunning the hell out of it I wonder why you blow diffs out UMMMMM. I never have blown the gears up inside the diff because I know when to stop. I don't have any problems with the 2 or 3 speed with the Savage they was bulletproof as long as you loc-ite the screw sets |
You never exactly gave the guy advise you just sat there don't buy it because you don't like it. I don't like PBS I'm going to tell you don't buy it. See what I mean:D
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Originally Posted by pdmustgt
(Post 5286100)
Sorry but I disagree bashing vs racing. Racing is controlled and prepped track with lots of waiting to run 2 or 3 heats with 10 to 20 min mains. Bashing in most cases rough areas jumping it with no landing ramps, balls to wall. With some of the extreme things I've done to my Savage or what you seen on the net no truggy or buggy will live through that. Theres some massive jumps I seen break your little mugen in 2 (bowed chassis)I have seen this before but never faze the Savage or M/T. Bashing dump more fuel in and keep going. I've used more fuel bashing in 1 day than 1 month of racing. So you tell me again which is harder on a r/c vehicle.
Alot of claim they broke this and that then go online say I broke it. But never tell anyone the truth on HOW they broke the part. I never have broke a control arm on my Hellfire bent front inner pins never broke any control arms. Never blew diffs out either. Most diff are blown out when you struck on the pipe. 1 side of the tires are on the ground the other side in the air you sit there gunning the hell out of it I wonder why you blow diffs out UMMMMM. I never have blown the gears up inside the diff because I know when to stop. I don't have any problems with the 2 or 3 speed with the Savage they was bulletproof as long as you loc-ite the screw sets LOL !!!! Oh yes HPI is better then Mugen :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol: |
pdmustgt...get over yourself...and the Hellfart...ITS A POS...Deal with it. :lol:
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The HPI drivetrains are anything but bulletproof OMG LOL !!! that has to be the silliest thing i have heard LOL.............
integra.... Hellfart LOL !!! yep I agree 110%... |
You 2 need to get over yourselves.
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Originally Posted by pdmustgt
(Post 5287778)
You 2 need to get over yourselves.
why cuz we speak the truth from sheer experience ? :rolleyes: |
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