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Another TKI thread, more TKI4 Specific http://www.rctech.net/forum/nitro-of...buggy-kit.html

TKI4 Replacement Parts (Good for upgrading from TKI3) http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/Replace...ts_c_1505.html

TKI4 Optional Parts http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/Option-Parts_c_1506.html

Some notes on the new Towers/Long shocks here

Picked up a TKI3 and want to upgrade to TKI4 ? Here are all the updated parts:

Shocks

IF347-155 1.5X5 Pistons
IF471-01 Front Shock Body
IF470-01 Rear Shock Body
IF470-03BK Shock Adjust Dial
IFW154 Boots
IF346-05C Shock End Set

Wing

IF491BK Wing
IFW460B Wing Mount/Stay

Rear End

IFH006W Wheel
IF490 HUB
IF490-01 Hub Insert
IF492 Shock Pin
IF423HB Rear Arm
IF287 Hard Upper Rod Rear

Front End

IF489 Steering Rod Set
IF488 Knuckles
IF487H Front Arm
IFW458 Hard Lower Pin
IFW425 93MM CVD
IF286 Hard Upper Rod
IF486 Lower Susp Holder
IFW459 Servo Saver (Hard)
IF446B Ackerman Arm
IF426-64.5 Susp Shaft

Other

IF469B Filter
97035LW-13 Clutch Bell
IF453B Body Mount
IFW107GM Hexes
W300910 Washer
IF443B Center Diff Plate
IF444C Tank
IF479B Radio Box
96772 13x16x0.15mm Shim
IF481B Fuel Tank Stay
IFW336GM Wheelnut
IFB008 TKI4 Body
IFD403W TKI4 Decal

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Also, has anyone here try the Fioroni cahssis? What is the benefit of it performance wise compared to the stock one. I like the stainless balls to the droop screw locations but other than that, I am still debating wether it is worth the coin or not.
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I just switched to the Magen droop screws on mine. Seems like really all is needed is more surface area. Chassis are pricey especially the fioronnis I plan on sticking with the stock chassis.
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Hello, for me it is a pleasure to be a new user of this forum.
Excuse my bad English, is not very good.
This week I mounted my tki3 to face Spain Championship 2013 and regional trials, local, social club and many more.
I hope to enjoy this car since I come from a Team Durango and I think this year will be q better.

What a pleasure .

Merry Christmas
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Had the pleasure today to drive my mp9 for the first time at the fear farm. After getting things sorted somewhat and a few tanks, I landed on the front left hard and broke a control arm at the outer hinge pin. I had brought spares thankfully and noticed the tki3 arms I had were slightly different from the one I broke. Was there a running change from the original mp9 (I think that's what I have, but with most of the tki3 upgrades) to the tki3 stuff? I looked on A-Main and noticed they only sold spares for the WC version. Are the later versions stronger than the early ones? Hopefully I had the earliest/most fragile version on there! Merry Christmas everybody!!!
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Originally Posted by Neesh
Also, has anyone here try the Fioroni cahssis? What is the benefit of it performance wise compared to the stock one. I like the stainless balls to the droop screw locations but other than that, I am still debating wether it is worth the coin or not.
I think the proof of the need for the Fioroni chassis can be seen by the fact that none of the top pros use it, at least those in the US (not sure about the Euros, but even in most pics of Euro driver's cars, they all seem to be using the stock/Kyosho chassis).

Have a look at the difference between the car Pavidis used to win his WC and the car Cody won with - almost every single component on Pavidis' car was a Fioroni part but Cody's car was literally SO close to stock that one would have a hard time picking out any non-Kyosho parts or anything from after-market brands (except for the Lunsford Ti turnbuckles, of course, which even blind Freddy can see, and knows, are a million times stronger and lighter and better than the Kyosho parts).

But apart from those turnbuckles, almost everything else was completely stock or genuine Kyosho parts.

If the Fioroni chassis really did have something of benefit to offer, surely there would be at least one well known pro using it, but I can't think of any and certainly out of the top Kyosho pros from all around the world, they all use the Kyosho chassis, to the best of my knowledge.

Save your coin and spend it on tires and fuel and just keep on practicing and turning laps. The MP9 really doesn't need ANY after-market parts to literally be able to win a World Championship.
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Originally Posted by likeaboss
Had the pleasure today to drive my mp9 for the first time at the fear farm. After getting things sorted somewhat and a few tanks, I landed on the front left hard and broke a control arm at the outer hinge pin. I had brought spares thankfully and noticed the tki3 arms I had were slightly different from the one I broke. Was there a running change from the original mp9 (I think that's what I have, but with most of the tki3 upgrades) to the tki3 stuff? I looked on A-Main and noticed they only sold spares for the WC version. Are the later versions stronger than the early ones? Hopefully I had the earliest/most fragile version on there! Merry Christmas everybody!!!
Yep, with the WC, Kyosho released a new version of the front lower arms, IF427B. They are meant to be stornger than the original version, by how much though, I have no idea.

The easiest way to determine if you have the original IF427 or newer IF427B arms is to have a look at where the anti-roll bar attaches - on the newer arm, there's extra plastic in sort of a semi-circular shape on both the top and bottom sides of the arm.
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Originally Posted by aaron125
I think the proof of the need for the Fioroni chassis can be seen by the fact that none of the top pros use it, at least those in the US (not sure about the Euros, but even in most pics of Euro driver's cars, they all seem to be using the stock/Kyosho chassis).

Have a look at the difference between the car Pavidis used to win his WC and the car Cody won with - almost every single component on Pavidis' car was a Fioroni part but Cody's car was literally SO close to stock that one would have a hard time picking out any non-Kyosho parts or anything from after-market brands (except for the Lunsford Ti turnbuckles, of course, which even blind Freddy can see, and knows, are a million times stronger and lighter and better than the Kyosho parts).

But apart from those turnbuckles, almost everything else was completely stock or genuine Kyosho parts.

If the Fioroni chassis really did have something of benefit to offer, surely there would be at least one well known pro using it, but I can't think of any and certainly out of the top Kyosho pros from all around the world, they all use the Kyosho chassis, to the best of my knowledge.

Save your coin and spend it on tires and fuel and just keep on practicing and turning laps. The MP9 really doesn't need ANY after-market parts to literally be able to win a World Championship.
If your collecting a check from Kyosho "PRO DRIVER" you don't really get an option to run anything other than kyosho parts/ products
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Originally Posted by THE PHILLY JYNX
If your collecting a check from Kyosho "PRO DRIVER" you don't really get an option to run anything other than kyosho parts/ products
If that's the case, why was Pavidis' car from his WC race almost 100% Fioroni parts when, after all, he was a Factory Kyosho driver at the time?
And there was a time when Cody used a BCE chassis (on his truggy, I think).

Not to mention Cav's ROAR winning car which had all the Kyosho parts used on it listed in the June or July 2012 issue of RC Car Action - there were at least 1/2 a dozen or more Kyosho parts on his car and he certainly wasn't trying to hide the fact, as shown by him freely allowing RC Car Action to list each and every Kyosho part he used.

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Originally Posted by aaron125
If that's the case, why was Pavidis' car from his WC race almost 100% Fioroni parts when, after all, he was a Factory Kyosho driver at the time?
And there was a time when Cody used a BCE chassis (on his truggy, I think).

Not to mention Cav's ROAR winning car which had all the Kyosho parts used on it listed in the June or July 2012 issue of RC Car Action - there were at least 1/2 a dozen or more Kyosho parts on his car and he certainly wasn't trying to hide the fact, as shown by him freely allowing RC Car Action to list each and every Kyosho part he used.
Past and present are 2 totally different things..did you read my post? I said Kyosho Pros,not other manufacturer/drivers running kyosho parts.
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Originally Posted by aaron125


If the Fioroni chassis really did have something of benefit to offer, surely there would be at least one well known pro using it, but I can't think of any and certainly out of the top Kyosho pros from all around the world, they all use the Kyosho chassis, to the best of my knowledge.
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One area of benefit is the o ring sealed bulk heads. I've tried grease, now rtv to block dirt from entering. Still gets in. I'll give the fioroni a go next solely for that reason
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Originally Posted by Coach Townsend
Been messing with electrics for awhile what is the ride height on buggy
I'm glad you asked that question. I logged on specifically to ask that same question. Do most people just do arms parellel with the ground? Looking at photos from the worlds, it looked like Kanai's car was just above parellel.
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I know have seen a pro running a fioroni chassis somewhere, but I believe it was a European driver. I have also thought about buying it. I don't want it to change the handling is the only reason I haven't bought one. Maybe someone will come on here and let us know.
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Originally Posted by aaron125
If that's the case, why was Pavidis' car from his WC race almost 100% Fioroni parts when, after all, he was a Factory Kyosho driver at the time?
And there was a time when Cody used a BCE chassis (on his truggy, I think).

Not to mention Cav's ROAR winning car which had all the Kyosho parts used on it listed in the June or July 2012 issue of RC Car Action - there were at least 1/2 a dozen or more Kyosho parts on his car and he certainly wasn't trying to hide the fact, as shown by him freely allowing RC Car Action to list each and every Kyosho part he used.
can you post a link to cavs buggy?
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Originally Posted by evolution03
I know have seen a pro running a fioroni chassis somewhere, but I believe it was a European driver. I have also thought about buying it. I don't want it to change the handling is the only reason I haven't bought one. Maybe someone will come on here and let us know.
I first purchased the Fioroni Chassis to replace the worn original K chassis on the TKI1 some years back. The interesting thing was the F chassis was more flexible due to the side bends being much the same angle as the current TKI3 chassis. The TKI1 did handle better due to this. Kyosho came up with the same side bends over 18 months later.

Wear is as good if not better than the K chassis, the oring seals are a great idea and work great, the steel balls to prevent wear from the droop screws work well and the cost is as good if not better than the genuine K chassis.

If you do back to back testing of the F and K chassis and notice a difference, I'll give you a pat on the back. In a long final the droop will be more consistant with the F chassis. It's interesting to note that Tebo uses spacers inside the shocks to control droop but it is more work to change the droop if required.

My advice is if you like the F chassis or you can get one cheaper then go for it, you won't regret it.

Just a little tech tip; the LEFT rubber stopper under the fuel tank can possibly get dislodged in a bad crash with the fioroni chassis. The fix is simple, you only need to get a dremel and take the edge off the milling where the stopper hits. Just assemble the tank onto the chassis and wobble it and you will see what I mean, very easy to fix and only takes a minute to do.
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