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Another TKI thread, more TKI4 Specific http://www.rctech.net/forum/nitro-of...buggy-kit.html

TKI4 Replacement Parts (Good for upgrading from TKI3) http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/Replace...ts_c_1505.html

TKI4 Optional Parts http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/Option-Parts_c_1506.html

Some notes on the new Towers/Long shocks here

Picked up a TKI3 and want to upgrade to TKI4 ? Here are all the updated parts:

Shocks

IF347-155 1.5X5 Pistons
IF471-01 Front Shock Body
IF470-01 Rear Shock Body
IF470-03BK Shock Adjust Dial
IFW154 Boots
IF346-05C Shock End Set

Wing

IF491BK Wing
IFW460B Wing Mount/Stay

Rear End

IFH006W Wheel
IF490 HUB
IF490-01 Hub Insert
IF492 Shock Pin
IF423HB Rear Arm
IF287 Hard Upper Rod Rear

Front End

IF489 Steering Rod Set
IF488 Knuckles
IF487H Front Arm
IFW458 Hard Lower Pin
IFW425 93MM CVD
IF286 Hard Upper Rod
IF486 Lower Susp Holder
IFW459 Servo Saver (Hard)
IF446B Ackerman Arm
IF426-64.5 Susp Shaft

Other

IF469B Filter
97035LW-13 Clutch Bell
IF453B Body Mount
IFW107GM Hexes
W300910 Washer
IF443B Center Diff Plate
IF444C Tank
IF479B Radio Box
96772 13x16x0.15mm Shim
IF481B Fuel Tank Stay
IFW336GM Wheelnut
IFB008 TKI4 Body
IFD403W TKI4 Decal

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Old 11-10-2009, 07:03 PM
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I will be, make us some filters already... lol
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Originally Posted by jpalessi
how many of you guys run the stock k filter cage?
always the stock filters and case, best there is. I see a lot of other (pro) drivers using the Kyosho ones. So there might be a demand for some aftermarket filters
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very cool. id like to hear some more opinions .
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well after reading all 181 pages of this forum I think an mp9 will be coming my way after Xmas....

question then guys..if I buy a TKI kit (which are still findable here in europe) will it have the upgraded bulkheads etc like the SE version or is it more likely to have the original parts?

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No it won't.
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Originally Posted by Gizmatron
well after reading all 181 pages of this forum I think an mp9 will be coming my way after Xmas....

question then guys..if I buy a TKI kit (which are still findable here in europe) will it have the upgraded bulkheads etc like the SE version or is it more likely to have the original parts?
you would have to check with Kyosho France (if your shop is ordering from them). I know that Kyosho Germany did ad the new bulkhead (c-type) and bushings in the TKI kit before sending them to the shops. I don't think you would get the new upper arms, rear hubs and the cnc arm holders (rear and upper front).
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Alright, who would order these pre-oiled filters if the were available for the MP-9
Inferno MP9 thread-cimg3399.jpg

I am in...#1
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At the end of our season I had enough spareparts to build a fresh MP9 TKI. Along with the cnc upper arm holder, cnc rear arm holder, servotraypost, wingstaybraces, new upperarms, rear hubs and springs the latest Kyosho has in stock. To save some weight I added some Xtreme shocktowers, Lunsford turnbuckles, titanium screws and alu locknuts. With a brand new Team Orion Alpha Abi and Sirio 2013 she will scream! For now I have my backup servo's in it (ace 1015) but they will be replaced with Hitec 7955's direct on lipo.

My other MP9 (normal screws, turnbuckles, towers and steel balls) came in on 3430, this one is 3240 gram's with 1700 mah lipo.








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Very nice looking ride ...Seems unless santa is VERY nice to me I have another year with my mp777 WC before I get an mp9..I'm also hoping kyosho will re -issue the TKI kit over here with all the proper upgrades in it sometime next year..seems a shame to buy the top kit and have to replace some parts that have already been superseded..so for now I'm strippping my WC down weight wise. ready to roll except for fuel with a new LI-FE battery RX pack I got it down to 3560g and thats with fioroni alu parts everywhere.I was about to ask what a standard mp9 and a totally stripped one weighed but you beat me to it so thanks for that..3430 standard means just 130g hmmmm maybe it's time to get my dremel out and do a little shaving
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Hey Matthijs nice pics, just wondering with that fuel line layout and extra filter what's the fuel capacity? i got mine up to the limit with one fuel filter and a lot of fuel line, your way is way neater and less prone to damage i think
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Originally Posted by KendallWelch
Slayyer, those are the numbers for the Ultimate oils?

Ali,
Yes made perfect sense. Yep, stock pistons are 1.2x8 on the TKI, but I have heard it comes with 1.2 and 1.3 on the SE? (I don't have the SE yet) Changing pistons is all about personal preference and what the track is doing. For example, the RC X Fest race up here in Minnesota is known to be a very rough and sandy track. In this case, some may want to go more holes in their pistons (rear especially). This will give the suspension "less pack" and go over the rough better. So instead of 1.3x8/ 32.5 wt Losi in my rear shocks, I drilled them out and ran 1.3 x10/ 35wt Losi. You have to go up in oil to compensate for more holes.

Typically, one would want to run more holes for more side bite, and less holes for less side bite and response. Notice how on the STRR, mostly everyone runs 1.3x6, this is so we are able to slide the trucks around a bit more through the turns. If you have an extremely smooth track, I could see going to a 1.3x6 or 1.4x5 piston. The car would generate less chassis roll and could be faster. On the old 777 we used to run 1.3x6 on the front and 1.3x8 rear to calm the car down, the same can be said for running 1.2 front and 1.3 rear on the MP9. Kyosho also makes angled pistons. These will make the car feel stiffer landing jumps, and would make the car pop more off the jumps. So far I haven't noticed too much of a difference between the angled and straight pistons though.

Usually I will have specific oils to run with specific pistons. If I run 1.2x8 front pistons, I'll throw in 35 wt Losi. Now I have 1.4x8 angled/ 40wt Losi. Rears- 1.2x8/ 25wt, 1.3x8/ 32.5wt, 1.3x10/ 35wt. Once I tried the rear shocks in hole number 2 on the tower (second from inside) with 40 wt, that worked pretty good as well. Had to go to a thicker oil to compensate for the low, soft shock angle. I might go up or down 2.5 wt depending on what I want the car to do, but those piston settings are pretty much what I run.

You have the adjusting temperature/oil settings down pretty good. I personally don't change oil too much depending on temp because the Losi oil doesn't change viscosity a whole lot. I will only go +/- 2.5 - 5wt in say a 30-50F degree temperature change.

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Hey Kendall
WOOOOW man, a very Pro answer, i didnt expect an easy explaination
i get it now, ill have to give it a shot before the NitroParty in (Pattaya) and see how the 1.3/8 feel in the back.......i think ill do 1.2/8-50 front and 1.3/8-45 in the back. and about the temp, in 4 monthes, the temp drops from 40C to 5C

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hey guys,

Matthijs, your car looks awesome man, now the big question is,

who will change the Aluminum shock towers to the carbon ones??
anybody tried them?? how good do they take hard landings and hits??

IMHO, Aluminum is better because even if you hit hard or land wrong, the aluminum will bend but you will still be able to continue the race where with the CF ones, they dont bend, they break. race is over....... correct me if im wrong guys.

opinions/advices,experiences ??????

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Dirtracer...I copied the fuellines layout from Jared Tebo, so I guess it is within the limit I tried to get the lines away from the clutch and this is the cleanest option.

Ali, I know that the stock shocktowers are probably better but it just looks better with the carbon ones We have a couple of winterraces and I will try them out, see how they hold up. Mark Pavides used them for a while so I guess they won't break after one qualifier.

In my experience the stock alu shocktower bends easy and with a big hit it rips the m3 screws out of the bulkhead (the lower 2). I'm hoping that if I have a big hit with the Carbon one it will rip the lower screws out and take the impactforce away before it breaks. If it does break....too bad, but thats racing
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Originally Posted by Matthijs
Dirtracer...I copied the fuellines layout from Jared Tebo, so I guess it is within the limit I tried to get the lines away from the clutch and this is the cleanest option.

Ali, I know that the stock shocktowers are probably better but it just looks better with the carbon ones We have a couple of winterraces and I will try them out, see how they hold up. Mark Pavides used them for a while so I guess they won't break after one qualifier.

In my experience the stock alu shocktower bends easy and with a big hit it rips the m3 screws out of the bulkhead (the lower 2). I'm hoping that if I have a big hit with the Carbon one it will rip the lower screws out and take the impactforce away before it breaks. If it does break....too bad, but thats racing

Hello from Kuwait,

i bent one front shock tower, but i dont think they bend easy, now, here's a small tip for the 2 lower screws take them off, replace them with a 3*14 or 3*15 screws, let them penetrate the bulckhead, and put a locknut at the back. dont forget a drop of locktite, i did this long time ago, had 4 or 5 races since then with tons of practice/ break-in time on the track and guess what, it didnt unscrew 1/32 of a turn

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Originally Posted by Matthijs
Dirtracer...I copied the fuellines layout from Jared Tebo, so I guess it is within the limit I tried to get the lines away from the clutch and this is the cleanest option.

Ali, I know that the stock shocktowers are probably better but it just looks better with the carbon ones We have a couple of winterraces and I will try them out, see how they hold up. Mark Pavides used them for a while so I guess they won't break after one qualifier.

In my experience the stock alu shocktower bends easy and with a big hit it rips the m3 screws out of the bulkhead (the lower 2). I'm hoping that if I have a big hit with the Carbon one it will rip the lower screws out and take the impactforce away before it breaks. If it does break....too bad, but thats racing
Matthjs,

I've been running the carbon shock towers for about 6months now never had problem with them.
The car looks so different & looks the DOGS i think.
But it's winter racing over here now i actually broek my rear carbon shock tower but this was down to heavy crash.
A Car rolled infront of me as i was coming over big jump he drove into me as i landed game over.
But i didnt like the alloy ones the front ones bent so easy, a guy i raced with bent about 3 of them in one season.

So i got to order new rear carbon shock tower, may get spare though lol

Oh they have more holes than the alloy ones for more of setup
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