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Old 09-26-2012, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mjealey
I think you guys have it backwards. You want to go up on the shock tower to lower the roll center of the buggy. A lower roll center increases rear grip.


http://jq-products.com/the-news/43-t.../160-the-guide


In general, longer links make the car more calm, and gives it more traction, and actually even improves forward bite. Having the links as far in on the shock towers as possible, makes for the most stable car. Raising the link on the tower, has a similar effect of lengthening it, in that it gives more traction.

Short links make a car more responsive, and make it square up better and faster when exiting a corner. It can feel like it has more traction, and ultimately it does, but it is more uneven. The car will have a lot of traction up to a point, and then it will suddenly loose it, spin out or similar, so it won't be as easy to drive. Lowering the link on the tower will have a similar effect, as a shorter link, and will make the car be more responsive, and have less traction.
You are correct.

I have tried several things to improve rear traction with the agressive low speed steering I have that I want to keep. Most of the adjustments to improve rear grip is at the expense of low speed steering. for example, more caster makes the car less twichy but gives too much on power for my driving style. I dids move the rear hubs forward but only the smallest spacer width because too much makes the car drive funny.

Moving the upper link higher on the tower is the conclusion i came to for increasing sidebite too, have not tried it yet.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mjealey
I think you guys have it backwards. You want to go up on the shock tower to lower the roll center of the buggy. A lower roll center increases rear grip.


http://jq-products.com/the-news/43-t.../160-the-guide


In general, longer links make the car more calm, and gives it more traction, and actually even improves forward bite. Having the links as far in on the shock towers as possible, makes for the most stable car. Raising the link on the tower, has a similar effect of lengthening it, in that it gives more traction.

Short links make a car more responsive, and make it square up better and faster when exiting a corner. It can feel like it has more traction, and ultimately it does, but it is more uneven. The car will have a lot of traction up to a point, and then it will suddenly loose it, spin out or similar, so it won't be as easy to drive. Lowering the link on the tower will have a similar effect, as a shorter link, and will make the car be more responsive, and have less traction.
REAR UPPER CAMBER LINK - SHOCKTOWER
EFFECT ON REAR ROLL CENTER

Upper holes • Lower rear roll center
Lower holes • Higher rear roll center

REAR ROLL CENTER CHARACTERISTICS
Higher
• Increases on-power traction
• Use to avoid traction rolling at corner entry
• Use under low-traction conditions

Lower
• Decreases rear traction into corner
• Increases steering into corner
• Use to avoid traction rolling mid-corner and corner exit

REAR UPPER CAMBER LINK -LENGTH CHARACTERISTICS

Shorter link (outer hole on tower and/or inner hole on hub)

• Increases steering and decreases
stability into corner
• Increases on-power traction slightly

Longer link (inner hole on tower and/or outer hole on hub)
• Decreases rear camber gain
• Increases stability
• Slows down the car‘s responsiveness
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:39 AM
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Anyone know what air filter battle is running here:

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Old 09-27-2012, 12:48 AM
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It is from Pro-Line. Good luck finding one. Been looking for them every where with no luck.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:13 AM
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robert battle use ultimate racing air filter
im using it


Mugen Seiki Malaysia / Ninja / oddonell' / Sweep Racing / Max Racing Products / Muchmore / Sanwa
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:51 AM
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http://www.modelixracing.com/en/comp...ilter?sef=hcfp


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Old 09-27-2012, 06:49 AM
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Hi guys..

i am new to mugen world. 3 month old and addicted to lightweight rotating part.
my first my upgrade is
Acer ceramic bearing kit for mbx6, E0242 & E0243 on the front only. after tested few round and found i do really like this stuff.. less rotating mass. then i go buy another for the rear..

now im looking fiber disk to replace steel disk that can fit on to the join cup..

has any one here have try fiber disk? what fiber disk can fit on my mugen and does its work perfect?

tried find at nearest LHS but couldnt found the disk fit on mugen

Thanks..
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tobatoci
Hi guys..

i am new to mugen world. 3 month old and addicted to lightweight rotating part.
my first my upgrade is
Acer ceramic bearing kit for mbx6, E0242 & E0243 on the front only. after tested few round and found i do really like this stuff.. less rotating mass. then i go buy another for the rear..

now im looking fiber disk to replace steel disk that can fit on to the join cup..

has any one here have try fiber disk? what fiber disk can fit on my mugen and does its work perfect?

tried find at nearest LHS but couldnt found the disk fit on mugen

Thanks..

http://racemugen.com/catalog/xtreme-...acturers_id=54
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:28 AM
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if you want long lasting and non fading performance try PSM disk.
i use it on my car for a year now and still look new.
after 16 races the brake wont let you down.
try it dude
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:33 PM
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Is anybody using the M2C long rear chassis brace? Picked it up and wondering if there's an advantage of using it. I need to drill the chassis if I need extra support
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tobatoci
Hi guys..

i am new to mugen world. 3 month old and addicted to lightweight rotating part.
my first my upgrade is
Acer ceramic bearing kit for mbx6, E0242 & E0243 on the front only. after tested few round and found i do really like this stuff.. less rotating mass. then i go buy another for the rear..

now im looking fiber disk to replace steel disk that can fit on to the join cup..

has any one here have try fiber disk? what fiber disk can fit on my mugen and does its work perfect?

tried find at nearest LHS but couldnt found the disk fit on mugen

Thanks..
IMHO stay stock. i tried fiber for a couple races last year and went back to stock, stock steel disk simply just work better.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:04 PM
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Got a noob question for y'all.

Most set up sheets by mugen drivers include mugen shock and diff oils. I have always mainly ran mugen oils, but is there that much of a difference in other oils? Is the quality any different? I have read and heard different things about the temperature effects oils differently. Is it really just a sticker your paying for or is the quality of mugen oils worth the price?

Shoot me some opinions guys!
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:25 PM
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They are worth it in my opinion, they last longer before breaking down in my experience.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:39 PM
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I agree. Mugen makes good diff oils. I use associated in the shocks.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:40 PM
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Dirt keep flowing through my gear boxes. Any suggestion on assemblibg the gearbox for dirt proof.

Any tip for adjust the engine mount, its hard to make them paralel the cb and the spur.
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