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Old 06-26-2019, 11:32 AM
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I would like to see those complaining about the event, build and run a track, then host Nationals. Its sad that most of the complaints come from people that did not attend, are not ROAR members, do nothing for the hobby or lives outside of the ROAR block. Yes ROAR have issues, but this is what we have. To make drastic changes, IFMAR would have to be involved as well, I think. Yes Nats are Nats, but for the top 20 racers, its IFMAR Worlds Qualifying as well. Everyone screams "Off Road" but just a few years ago the racers wanted a higher grip surface. Since then, the industry have went that way, from tracks, to chassis, to tires. Now people want to B!t(h and complain. How about build a track or better volunteer to help ROAR.

I thought this years Nats was one of the better ones. The track was hard to drive (dont care why), and competition was close all weekend. No one just checked out and lapped the field 9 times. This is how a National Championship should be from a competition stand point.
There's a person really striving for a better system/race, one like other motorsports have, where you gain points. but everyone is too soft and get "offended online by facts and truth" this man speaks(yet they still follow him??)
A national championship should never be decided by 4-5 days of practice(incl qual) and not racing anyone, then relying on 1 semi. point system, multiple tracks, prove who really is the best at the time.
Spencer won the last indoor race that was similar to this a few years ago? didn't phend also tq?
These kind of tracks have their place, but not a one stop shop for a championship - current format doesnt allow for a TV quality broadcast because practice and qual for days is boring.

thats my thoughts on it.
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There's a person really striving for a better system/race, one like other motorsports have, where you gain points. but everyone is too soft and get "offended online by facts and truth" this man speaks(yet they still follow him??)
A national championship should never be decided by 4-5 days of practice(incl qual) and not racing anyone, then relying on 1 semi. point system, multiple tracks, prove who really is the best at the time.
Spencer won the last indoor race that was similar to this a few years ago? didn't phend also tq?
These kind of tracks have their place, but not a one stop shop for a championship - current format doesnt allow for a TV quality broadcast because practice and qual for days is boring.

thats my thoughts on it.
I get you. This is RC racing where grown men plays with expensive toys. This will NEVER be considered "motorsports". Never. Better Race system, ok. When there is a series in the US where it is affordable for all the manufactures to take part, then maybe, it would spark more interest. Right now, despite the work RCGP has put in, This industry still goes through IFMAR, period. That is what all the companies work for, that is what the manufactures strive for, National and World Champions. This industry does not have "motorsports" money. I disagree on the National Championship part. Again, this is NOT an industry that has unlimited money. right now with ROAR rules, you will not get 4 tracks a year to hold a National Championship Series. I love when folks say like F1.. GTFOH. RC racing will NEVER be on TV in the US, at lease not on a major high quality broadcast channel. Hell it took years for the US to get F1 regularly.
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Old 06-26-2019, 06:03 PM
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I get you. This is RC racing where grown men plays with expensive toys. This will NEVER be considered "motorsports". Never. Better Race system, ok. When there is a series in the US where it is affordable for all the manufactures to take part, then maybe, it would spark more interest. Right now, despite the work RCGP has put in, This industry still goes through IFMAR, period. That is what all the companies work for, that is what the manufactures strive for, National and World Champions. This industry does not have "motorsports" money. I disagree on the National Championship part. Again, this is NOT an industry that has unlimited money. right now with ROAR rules, you will not get 4 tracks a year to hold a National Championship Series. I love when folks say like F1.. GTFOH. RC racing will NEVER be on TV in the US, at lease not on a major high quality broadcast channel. Hell it took years for the US to get F1 regularly.
Drone racing is utter crap and so is "LOL"(league) and they are on TV. drone racing went from literally nothing to on TV within a year.
RCGP is cheaper and an investment for companys. race teams work like f1.... HB and Sworkz are pouring money in and 1 round of rcgp was far more interesting than the whole roar event - the pros have been asking for something over multiple races for ages.
It's time for change.
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:54 PM
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smooth surface...high grip....reminds me of an rc-gp track
It wasn't high grip, and it had all kinds of different corners, and difficult jumps.......Made for mistakes, good racing, and good passing. Was kinda my point.....
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Just need that high profile person willing to risk their money. Drone racing has the backing of the CEO of Home Depot.

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while RC racing at lower level did have professional race driver Scott Speed owning a place. He closed it up early this year.
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I disagree. RC racing is motorsports. Motorsports in miniature. Even this years Fuel Nats winner, Spencer RIVKIN, refers to himself as a racing driver in interviews. I fully agree with that and support it.

Too often, we as RC'ers refer to our cars and trucks as toys. It is a secret handshake we all know and has been prevalent in online conversation for years. Problem is, the general public takes us literally and dismisses our hobby exactly as we describe it, toys. This needs a serious turn-around in order to better represent the hobby as serious miniature motorsports. ROAR tries. They just are not staffed to do it. Perhaps if they were to offer a tiered membership that would accept members at a lower price to race a the local level and to just in general support ROAR efforts to qualify a Worlds Team might be an option worth looking at?

This years Fuel Nats was a good race. One-liner or not, racers will find a way to win. Were it available to more of the general public, more would see it as true miniature motorsports. Alas, this is a stick-and-ball nation. Anything else gets kicked to the curb. Fortunately, streaming vids are available to us that seek it out. Too bad so many others are missing out on what we know as a good thing.

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Unless there is actual risk of physical injuries, or death from crash, I’m sorry RC drivers are not race car drivers.
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Unless there is actual risk of physical injuries, or death from crash, Iím sorry RC drivers are not race car drivers.
An interesting criteria for race car drivers, Billy. No, my friend, in my humble opinion, there is a lot more to racing and race car drivers than that. Take, for example, competition and competitive drive. Or, perhaps, the will to win. Or, heck, even just plain old bragging rights. All trump risk or death as an incentive to enter motorsports. RC racing is a great place for nurturing those. Aspiring to a drive at the Nats as a stepping stone to the Worlds is the natural path for both. ROAR provides that to the RC motorsports community, once a RC race car driver gets to that point in their career.

Billy, I am 75 years old and have been in RC for twenty years. Also have raced motorcycles, crewed sprint cars and top fuel dragsters, and raced SCCA autocross. Trust me, risk of physical injury or death from a crash was neither a motivator nor deterrent. Oh, and yeah, marshaled 1/8 nitro races as a competitor. Perhaps that fits your criteria, as risk from physical injuries, but I never saw it that way as a RC race driver. It was all about the competition, the camaraderie, a podium finish and, heck, just the racing. Be it one-line, two-line or no-line.

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An interesting criteria for race car drivers, Billy. No, my friend, in my humble opinion, there is a lot more to racing and race car drivers than that. Take, for example, competition and competitive drive. Or, perhaps, the will to win. Or, heck, even just plain old bragging rights. All trump risk or death as an incentive to enter motorsports. RC racing is a great place for nurturing those. Aspiring to a drive at the Nats as a stepping stone to the Worlds is the natural path for both. ROAR provides that to the RC motorsports community, once a RC race car driver gets to that point in their career.

Billy, I am 75 years old and have been in RC for twenty years. Also have raced motorcycles, crewed sprint cars and top fuel dragsters, and raced SCCA autocross. Trust me, risk of physical injury or death from a crash was neither a motivator nor deterrent. Oh, and yeah, marshaled 1/8 nitro races as a competitor. Perhaps that fits your criteria, as risk from physical injuries, but I never saw it that way as a RC race driver. It was all about the competition, the camaraderie, a podium finish and, heck, just the racing. Be it one-line, two-line or no-line.

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I used to read it often here. People would try to compare RC racing to real racing. But without the risks, there just no way to compare them. Yes, the top level drivers are unbelievably skilled. And it does require the mental focus similar to real drivers. But thatís were it stops for me. Even ESports racing has setup that give player actual physical feedback. Maybe a crash means drivers get pushed off driver stand ( kidding), nice 5+ foot fall to simulate that lawn dart crash.

Death and injury is a part of Motorsport. The death risk is definitely far lower then even 20 years ago. And of course those involved donít look at it a positive or negative. Itís just there. Sir Jackie Stewart walked away from F1 after watching so many friends die. Hell, NASCAR popularity was partly based on ďwaiting for the big oneĒ.

Iíve read somethingís about how over in Europe RC racing is treated similar to real racing. And itís caused some issues for younger drivers. I donít know the full details. But XRay used to have a young female driver, Iím blanking on her name right now. But a conflict with age and being paid, was also trying to get into full size racing, has ended her racing till turns 18.

Iím a fringe local driver. Iím still hesitant to call myself a racer yet as Iíve only raced with one group. 1/10 scale on road and MiniZ. Unfortunately weíve had 3 tracks close since December. A new off road has opened, and a couple clubs are getting up and running. But itís a long road for them.
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I used to read it often here. People would try to compare RC racing to real racing. But without the risks, there just no way to compare them. Yes, the top level drivers are unbelievably skilled. And it does require the mental focus similar to real drivers. But thatís were it stops for me. Even ESports racing has setup that give player actual physical feedback. Maybe a crash means drivers get pushed off driver stand ( kidding), nice 5+ foot fall to simulate that lawn dart crash.

Death and injury is a part of Motorsport. The death risk is definitely far lower then even 20 years ago. And of course those involved donít look at it a positive or negative. Itís just there. Sir Jackie Stewart walked away from F1 after watching so many friends die. Hell, NASCAR popularity was partly based on ďwaiting for the big oneĒ.

Iíve read somethingís about how over in Europe RC racing is treated similar to real racing. And itís caused some issues for younger drivers. I donít know the full details. But XRay used to have a young female driver, Iím blanking on her name right now. But a conflict with age and being paid, was also trying to get into full size racing, has ended her racing till turns 18.

Iím a fringe local driver. Iím still hesitant to call myself a racer yet as Iíve only raced with one group. 1/10 scale on road and MiniZ. Unfortunately weíve had 3 tracks close since December. A new off road has opened, and a couple clubs are getting up and running. But itís a long road for them.
Malin Karlsen is the Norwegian girl, and nothing is stopping her from racing. She just doesn't want to.
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Malin Karlsen is the Norwegian girl, and nothing is stopping her from racing. She just doesn't want to.
I knew part of their name. Iíd been told here that she has to stop for a reason. Iíll try to find those post. I donít pretend to have any understanding of RC racing overseas. Outside of it being very different from States. Sheís one of the few names I know. Iíve linked to a number of her videos when Iíve seen post about getting daughters into hobby.


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the petition on social media stating, "No idea if this will make a difference or not but one of my loyal supporters has started a petition to try and overturn the decision of my national federation. Take a look, and if you can sign it and maybe share it, it will be greatly appreciated."

In the petition's description Steinwagner says, "Malin Karlsen is a 13yo from Norway who was competing at the top of the sport of remote controlled cars! She is one of the brightest up and comers in the sport! She was the first ever female driver to qualify for and compete in the prestigious invitation only class at the reedy race of champions as well as the first female driver to make the A-Final in the Euro off road series and the EFRA 1/10 scale European championship! Her and he father have even built her herown race track! All at her young age! Due to her going racing outside of her home country of Norway the Norwegian motorsports federation (www.nmfsport.no) Banned her from ever getting a liscense to race permanently! Im hoping to get this petition going in hoped that her fans signatures might make the NMF reconsider the lifetime ban and issue her a license sometime in the future!

(Please guys lets not be too critical of the NMF it is there rule and their right to enforce it. Lets not bad mouth them and make them dig their heals in on the subject) Thanks for all the support so far!"

https://www.liverc.com/news/announce...the_racetrack/
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I knew part of their name. Iíd been told here that she has to stop for a reason. Iíll try to find those post. I donít pretend to have any understanding of RC racing overseas. Outside of it being very different from States. Sheís one of the few names I know. Iíve linked to a number of her videos when Iíve seen post about getting daughters into hobby.


Found it.

the petition on social media stating, "No idea if this will make a difference or not but one of my loyal supporters has started a petition to try and overturn the decision of my national federation. Take a look, and if you can sign it and maybe share it, it will be greatly appreciated."

In the petition's description Steinwagner says, "Malin Karlsen is a 13yo from Norway who was competing at the top of the sport of remote controlled cars! She is one of the brightest up and comers in the sport! She was the first ever female driver to qualify for and compete in the prestigious invitation only class at the reedy race of champions as well as the first female driver to make the A-Final in the Euro off road series and the EFRA 1/10 scale European championship! Her and he father have even built her herown race track! All at her young age! Due to her going racing outside of her home country of Norway the Norwegian motorsports federation (www.nmfsport.no) Banned her from ever getting a liscense to race permanently! Im hoping to get this petition going in hoped that her fans signatures might make the NMF reconsider the lifetime ban and issue her a license sometime in the future!

(Please guys lets not be too critical of the NMF it is there rule and their right to enforce it. Lets not bad mouth them and make them dig their heals in on the subject) Thanks for all the support so far!"

https://www.liverc.com/news/announce...the_racetrack/
Read the NMF's reply. They never banned, or otherwise sanctioned her. She's always been able to race if she wanted to.
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