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Old 02-27-2019, 04:49 AM
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Guys can anyone compare the mp9 to the mp10 in low traction tracks?
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Stiffer springs at dnc? Was it high grip? Generally stiffer springs make the car worse in bumps unless the goal is to skip across the top of the bumps. That is Mugen setup territory there.
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Guess it's time to bust this out again
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Stiffer springs at dnc? Was it high grip? Generally stiffer springs make the car worse in bumps unless the goal is to skip across the top of the bumps. That is Mugen setup territory there.
at the start some used stiffer springs, which is needed if you lay down the shocks, then migrated back to blue and I think I saw orange on some as the track blew out. Not sure the grip, looked groove on the race line, but imo 28 secs on a big track is quick.
I do like the concept of skipping or moreover getting the frequency right particularly in rebound. Lots of cars bounce around the track because there’s no oil in their shocks because they think the tire needs to travel down every rut to maintain traction. Maybe, but what goes down must come up and usually it’s with interest. Everything is a compromise but I like the idea the sprung weight on a car shouldn’t move when hitting a bump only the suspension. Mugen/ Maifield did well. Maybe they’re on to something. The MP10 does appear to have adopted a few Mugen concepts.
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Originally Posted by inpuressa
The geometry is a bit extreme to illustrate the concept but he explains it really well. The test rig is certainly something anyone can replicate. Current thinking is to have the instant roll centre inside the car rather than outside. To do that the inner link needs to be lower than the outside link. That too may be a reason the upper holes on the MP10 were removed.
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Old 02-27-2019, 02:22 PM
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at the start some used stiffer springs, which is needed if you lay down the shocks, then migrated back to blue and I think I saw orange on some as the track blew out. Not sure the grip, looked groove on the race line, but imo 28 secs on a big track is quick.
I do like the concept of skipping or moreover getting the frequency right particularly in rebound. Lots of cars bounce around the track because there’s no oil in their shocks because they think the tire needs to travel down every rut to maintain traction. Maybe, but what goes down must come up and usually it’s with interest. Everything is a compromise but I like the idea the sprung weight on a car shouldn’t move when hitting a bump only the suspension. Mugen/ Maifield did well. Maybe they’re on to something. The MP10 does appear to have adopted a few Mugen concepts.
remember that the mugen has been develop towards bumpy tracks so they had an adavantage and the mp10 was develop more toward smoother higher grip tracks and you can really see that on the geometry.
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Old 02-27-2019, 03:01 PM
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remember that the mugen has been develop towards bumpy tracks so they had an adavantage and the mp10 was develop more toward smoother higher grip tracks and you can really see that on the geometry.
Like ships in the night... the ideal situation would have been to keep the inner hinge pins the same diameter so you could change the arms but I guess that rationale doesn't sell kits and help the balance sheet. Looking at the pro lap times at DNC between the TKI4 EVO and the MP10 I thought the MP10 did better. The ebuggies on say the HB were a second or so faster than the nitro but the K cars were similar.
Houston did really well. I'm sure he's got some hands on experience to share.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo_d99

remember that the mugen has been develop towards bumpy tracks so they had an adavantage and the mp10 was develop more toward smoother higher grip tracks and you can really see that on the geometry.
Kanai did mention about the MP10 development for tracks with high traction, but didn't lose anything for bumpy/loose tracks.
I like this track, very similar to the conditions we run in
http://www.facebook.com/yuichi.kanai...5512346275558/
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just a quick and simple question. Is it worth it to upgrade to the mp10 if I have the tki4 anniversary edition?
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Originally Posted by Ricardo_d99

i think is just the shock tower if I was them I would have use the mp9 C&D blocks with the mp9 arms, they were trying to get more rear grip by making the roll center higher than what the stock tower allows
it was done to provide more uptravel as lower shock mounting on towers decreased the uptravel too much .....
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it was done to provide more uptravel as lower shock mounting on towers decreased the uptravel too much .....
Do you have a setup sheet from DNC ?
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Originally Posted by Ricardo_d99

Do you have a setup sheet from DNC ?
ya ..... i posted it on facebook page

you might like it you might not

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ya ..... i posted it on facebook page

you might like it you might not
well ... i guess it didnt save it with the fields populated
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Guys,

Anyone using 10K diff oil for all 3 differentials? Manual suggests 5,5,3 but that seems awfully lite. Was thinking of using 10K.

Any thoughts?
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Guys,

Anyone using 10K diff oil for all 3 differentials? Manual suggests 5,5,3 but that seems awfully lite. Was thinking of using 10K.

Any thoughts?
if you’re racing on tarmac maybe .... anything less and I reckon it’ll push like a pig.
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