153Likes2018 ifmar worlds
11-12-2018, 09:31 AM
#196
I do not know, again, until Davide or Ifmar clarify further as to how this whole Gyro debate came about. Supposedly it is stated someone chimed in while he was thanking his sponsors at the banquet!
Either way, it is a shame, as just looking at his past history based on results, he can wheel a car very well.
...I have seen photos of the car, and the fact that he uses a piece of flat cable as a Pull tab on his receiver pack, may look to be something else, but it is not, its just a piece of flat-wire super-glued to his connector.
- Either way he did a great job and got a well deserved win.
And Maifield may be better off getting a full OS Ride, in 2015 at the World Indoor Buggy Cup he ran a OS Mill with an orion head.
from RCRevolution: RcRevolution.net - Ryan Maifield engine... - News - News
Either way, it is a shame, as just looking at his past history based on results, he can wheel a car very well.
...I have seen photos of the car, and the fact that he uses a piece of flat cable as a Pull tab on his receiver pack, may look to be something else, but it is not, its just a piece of flat-wire super-glued to his connector.
- Either way he did a great job and got a well deserved win.
And Maifield may be better off getting a full OS Ride, in 2015 at the World Indoor Buggy Cup he ran a OS Mill with an orion head.
from RCRevolution: RcRevolution.net - Ryan Maifield engine... - News - News
11-12-2018, 10:03 AM
#197
11-12-2018, 10:42 AM
#198
So this begs the Question ( And an IFMAR WORLDS carries differet weight, BUT - http://thequagraine.com/2017/04/18/try-traction/ )
Is there a scale of "Worse offense" when it comes to violating the whole "breach of contract" ?
If you want to go back, as JQ pointed out and TT eventually apologized for using competitors tires.
Running another brand tires vs using a different motor, how would you compare the two?
Also, all things being equal, should PL have CUT TT for his breach?
IMO RM has gotten the "bad boy" vibe/image from those in RC and I wonder how much that has played into the response to his using a different Mfgr for powerplant.
MOmo
Is there a scale of "Worse offense" when it comes to violating the whole "breach of contract" ?
If you want to go back, as JQ pointed out and TT eventually apologized for using competitors tires.
Running another brand tires vs using a different motor, how would you compare the two?
Also, all things being equal, should PL have CUT TT for his breach?
IMO RM has gotten the "bad boy" vibe/image from those in RC and I wonder how much that has played into the response to his using a different Mfgr for powerplant.
MOmo
11-12-2018, 11:52 AM
#199
So this begs the Question ( And an IFMAR WORLDS carries differet weight, BUT - http://thequagraine.com/2017/04/18/try-traction/ )
Is there a scale of "Worse offense" when it comes to violating the whole "breach of contract" ?
If you want to go back, as JQ pointed out and TT eventually apologized for using competitors tires.
Running another brand tires vs using a different motor, how would you compare the two?
Also, all things being equal, should PL have CUT TT for his breach?
IMO RM has gotten the "bad boy" vibe/image from those in RC and I wonder how much that has played into the response to his using a different Mfgr for powerplant.
MOmo
Is there a scale of "Worse offense" when it comes to violating the whole "breach of contract" ?
If you want to go back, as JQ pointed out and TT eventually apologized for using competitors tires.
Running another brand tires vs using a different motor, how would you compare the two?
Also, all things being equal, should PL have CUT TT for his breach?
IMO RM has gotten the "bad boy" vibe/image from those in RC and I wonder how much that has played into the response to his using a different Mfgr for powerplant.
MOmo
From my perspective, there are a number of variables at play in a "cheating" situation, such as: does the offended manufacturer secretly know? What's the nature of the contractual relationship? What's the anticipated public perception if someone gets caught? How could it affect brand image for either party?
Also, there's a difference between doing it once and admitting fault (Tessmann) versus systematic violations across different manufacturers (Maifield.) Public perception is everything, and I fear that RM could seriously be shooting himself in the foot career-wise. I mean think about it: if you were a manufacturer and your (generously paid) driver has a reputation for breaching their agreements in order to gain a tactical advantage, how would you feel? Would you want to be associated with someone of such dubious loyalty? This is a family-oriented hobby, and because it's facing an important economic downturn, some hard choices are going to have to be made for many companies to remain afloat. The last thing anyone needs to do is put themselves on the wrong side of the chopping-block. Food for thought.
11-12-2018, 12:18 PM
#200
Tech Fanatic
In the end it's us the customers that pay for the stickers on the car, so not knowing anymore if someone is actually using the product they promote makes it really bad for that brand or driver. What's the point of winning a race for them anymore?
11-12-2018, 02:14 PM
#203
Tech Adept
Too bad about Ryan Maifield, I would say to me using a rivals engine seems worst then using a non-sponsored tires. I mean both are bad but i i do believe tires can be very track dependent, there are just times and weird situations that a certain compound with a particular tire design just gives a user so much advantage whether it be traction, speed or wear.
With the engine, i would think after using it for close to two years he should know the ins and outs of the powerband , tuning and the mileage. He has had some goof success with the engines so i don't know why its different this time. It sucks for Reds though they paid the guy for close to 2 years he chose to re-sign this year so Reds believed he was there top guy in the worlds but he pretty much stabbed them in the back, and basically implies Reds engines were not good enough for the Big Show.
With the engine, i would think after using it for close to two years he should know the ins and outs of the powerband , tuning and the mileage. He has had some goof success with the engines so i don't know why its different this time. It sucks for Reds though they paid the guy for close to 2 years he chose to re-sign this year so Reds believed he was there top guy in the worlds but he pretty much stabbed them in the back, and basically implies Reds engines were not good enough for the Big Show.
11-12-2018, 02:28 PM
#204
And if they run the right engine under the head, will it be the same one as we can buy in the shops or are they special made and modified?
11-12-2018, 04:00 PM
#205
Tech Fanatic
But making this complete blunder is beyond stupid, would have been better to just run the damn OS and made up some excuse or terminated the contract before, as people generally want to see what's under the body of any winning car.
11-12-2018, 05:02 PM
#207
You bring-up an interesting question.
From my perspective, there are a number of variables at play in a "cheating" situation, such as: does the offended manufacturer secretly know? What's the nature of the contractual relationship? What's the anticipated public perception if someone gets caught? How could it affect brand image for either party?
Also, there's a difference between doing it once and admitting fault (Tessmann) versus systematic violations across different manufacturers (Maifield.) Public perception is everything, and I fear that RM could seriously be shooting himself in the foot career-wise. I mean think about it: if you were a manufacturer and your (generously paid) driver has a reputation for breaching their agreements in order to gain a tactical advantage, how would you feel? Would you want to be associated with someone of such dubious loyalty? This is a family-oriented hobby, and because it's facing an important economic downturn, some hard choices are going to have to be made for many companies to remain afloat. The last thing anyone needs to do is put themselves on the wrong side of the chopping-block. Food for thought.
From my perspective, there are a number of variables at play in a "cheating" situation, such as: does the offended manufacturer secretly know? What's the nature of the contractual relationship? What's the anticipated public perception if someone gets caught? How could it affect brand image for either party?
Also, there's a difference between doing it once and admitting fault (Tessmann) versus systematic violations across different manufacturers (Maifield.) Public perception is everything, and I fear that RM could seriously be shooting himself in the foot career-wise. I mean think about it: if you were a manufacturer and your (generously paid) driver has a reputation for breaching their agreements in order to gain a tactical advantage, how would you feel? Would you want to be associated with someone of such dubious loyalty? This is a family-oriented hobby, and because it's facing an important economic downturn, some hard choices are going to have to be made for many companies to remain afloat. The last thing anyone needs to do is put themselves on the wrong side of the chopping-block. Food for thought.
I suppose, its difficult to know all the details.
-IF Maifield has the type of relationship with his Sponsors that he should (Giving feedback, constant communication etc) he would likely express any displeasure with his equipment.
(You'd think that both He and Drake, being knowledgable of Nitro Motors could properly break in a motor) and having resources at his disposal - Likely COULD be testing and comparing equipment with Other mfgrs for the best results.
Engine A vs B vs C
and evaluating the performance of each. Most Mfgrs expect and WANT feedback on their product good bad or indifferent. Helps them constantly improve and make adjustments to their product.
(Yokomo's YZ4-SF was designed and built exclusivly from feedback from RM for example) so any good company is going to listen to a top driver since they know what is going to work.
IF you know something isn't working or is constantly letting you down, Why wouldn't you use a product that will help you win.
If you were getting free product and still couldn't be competitive, it would be really hard to win ESP. if the MFGR is looking for those kinds of results.
MOmo
11-12-2018, 05:15 PM
#208
I suppose, its difficult to know all the details.
-IF Maifield has the type of relationship with his Sponsors that he should (Giving feedback, constant communication etc) he would likely express any displeasure with his equipment.
(You'd think that both He and Drake, being knowledgable of Nitro Motors could properly break in a motor) and having resources at his disposal - Likely COULD be testing and comparing equipment with Other mfgrs for the best results.
Engine A vs B vs C
and evaluating the performance of each. Most Mfgrs expect and WANT feedback on their product good bad or indifferent. Helps them constantly improve and make adjustments to their product.
(Yokomo's YZ4-SF was designed and built exclusivly from feedback from RM for example) so any good company is going to listen to a top driver since they know what is going to work.
IF you know something isn't working or is constantly letting you down, Why wouldn't you use a product that will help you win.
If you were getting free product and still couldn't be competitive, it would be really hard to win ESP. if the MFGR is looking for those kinds of results.
MOmo
-IF Maifield has the type of relationship with his Sponsors that he should (Giving feedback, constant communication etc) he would likely express any displeasure with his equipment.
(You'd think that both He and Drake, being knowledgable of Nitro Motors could properly break in a motor) and having resources at his disposal - Likely COULD be testing and comparing equipment with Other mfgrs for the best results.
Engine A vs B vs C
and evaluating the performance of each. Most Mfgrs expect and WANT feedback on their product good bad or indifferent. Helps them constantly improve and make adjustments to their product.
(Yokomo's YZ4-SF was designed and built exclusivly from feedback from RM for example) so any good company is going to listen to a top driver since they know what is going to work.
IF you know something isn't working or is constantly letting you down, Why wouldn't you use a product that will help you win.
If you were getting free product and still couldn't be competitive, it would be really hard to win ESP. if the MFGR is looking for those kinds of results.
MOmo
From what I have been told Maifield had been quite vocal all week about the performance of his REDS equipment.
11-12-2018, 05:48 PM
#210
Tech Fanatic
The really big question is really if IFMAR decided to tech based on persuasion, official complaint, or by default.
If it was by persuasion most organisations would kick them instantly, as then they are no longer governing the rules them self and can't be trusted to be in office.
Though I'm not entirely sure what the IFMAR rules says.
If it was by persuasion most organisations would kick them instantly, as then they are no longer governing the rules them self and can't be trusted to be in office.
Though I'm not entirely sure what the IFMAR rules says.