Anyone else feel like manufacturers are failing the MT market?
12-19-2013, 08:36 AM
#31
IMO that applies maybe to some of the other brands, but not Losi.
And I have and have had a few truggies, and - again just IMO - they are not nearly as fun to just go mess around with as an MT. A truggy is fun on a track, but speaking just for myself, I find them totally boring anywhere else..
And I have and have had a few truggies, and - again just IMO - they are not nearly as fun to just go mess around with as an MT. A truggy is fun on a track, but speaking just for myself, I find them totally boring anywhere else..
I think a MT is more appropriate in a urban environment...its higher COG and bigger tires makes it much more stunt oriented.... Truggies do better on rougher heavier offroad conditions...more open areas where you can carry more ground speed......Pretty much the only way a truggy is fun to bash is if your somewhere you can go wide open...... The sand pits we have are a total blast with the truggies.....huge massive air and steep slopes ...A MT's high COG and suspension prevent it from being able to do what the truggies can do in these conditions.....Also going high speed over a washboard surface the Truggies excel.......Based on what I see in your videos your always in smaller tighter urban areas where I would also prefer a MT......... However if you were here in the Canadian Prairies where we have endless amounts of space offroad terrains you would probably also want to use a Truggy over a MT..as the Truggy can just go over everything at full speed and a MT cannot...And in big open areas higher the speeds the more fun everything is
12-19-2013, 09:44 AM
#32
I think that's probably about right..
And that's a key thing for anyone in an RC forum to keep in mind - everybody has different circumstances, and those circumstances obviously directly affect their preferences.
And that's a key thing for anyone in an RC forum to keep in mind - everybody has different circumstances, and those circumstances obviously directly affect their preferences.
12-19-2013, 09:44 AM
#33
I think that's probably about right..
And that's a key thing for anyone in an RC forum to keep in mind - everybody has different circumstances, and those circumstances obviously directly affect their preferences.
And that's a key thing for anyone in an RC forum to keep in mind - everybody has different circumstances, and those circumstances obviously directly affect their preferences.
12-19-2013, 09:46 AM
#34
That kind of thing is unfortunately true in any forum though. I'm sure there are Ford vs. Chevy type arguments in basket weaving forums.. It's inherent to smaller forums generally IMO. A select know-it-all clique tends to emerge, badmouthing and banning everybody else, til eventually the forum just kind of dies...
Jerks on forums didn't kill MT's.. The fad of racing did.. (IMO). There are still jerks everywhere..
Jerks on forums didn't kill MT's.. The fad of racing did.. (IMO). There are still jerks everywhere..
12-19-2013, 09:53 AM
#35
Three reasons MT is being ignored. Racing, hype from manufacturers and the RC mags. Racing MT's used to be big but the truggy killed true MT's. RC Mags focus on what they perceive to be hot and racing gets people excited whether they race or not. So RC Mags concentrate more on racing type vehicles since it sells mags. RC Mags will also never ever bad mouth a product for fear of losing advertising dollars. When was the last time you read a review where the the RC Mag said they broke something that wasn't the drivers fault? RC mags are also one of the first places people go to besides the lhs when getting into the hobby. Very few go online and fewer join a forum first. Then you get the manufacturers who can take a 1/10 platform and turn it into multiple platforms and make way more money than a solitary MT ever could. I do agree with the point that was made about why create a new platform when it won't outperform the old one.
12-19-2013, 09:55 AM
#36
Sadly I would have to agree, we see it a lot in this section of RCT. Way too many "size of my man meat" types of childish debates.
Popularity...If you look at what sections people are viewing, this place is pretty dead at any given time of day compared to others. To gain support in talking about how popular MT's are, this site probably isn't the best choice.
Why do people, some people, need a "new" MT? What is it you want or need a MT to do that the current ones can't??
Popularity...If you look at what sections people are viewing, this place is pretty dead at any given time of day compared to others. To gain support in talking about how popular MT's are, this site probably isn't the best choice.
Why do people, some people, need a "new" MT? What is it you want or need a MT to do that the current ones can't??
12-19-2013, 10:21 AM
#37
RC racing has for the most part been a niche hobby for people who are - IMO - WAY too into it.. The explosion in interest in RC which started about ten years ago was down to nitro monster trucks. A lot of those people went into racing, as racing has been perceived as the "in" thing in the last 6-7 years... If you just look at the forums, racing seems to me to be in a steady decline. Sure local tracks here and there might be thriving, but overall I doubt that it's growing for ex.. AFAIC though, racing is WAY too uptight, and requires way too much time and money. With an MT I can go run when I want, where I want, I don't need to invest in a motor home, devote three days a weekend to it, etc..
12-19-2013, 10:31 AM
#38
Why does anybody need a new -pick-your-favorite-car-model-?? Car companies "facelift" models all the time. I think all we're saying is, just because MT's aren't the vanguard of RC popularity at the moment (like, say.., mini helis or quadcopters...)is no reason to abandon them altogether - which for the moment anyway, incomprehensibly.., Losi seems to have done. I agree with Overdriven - I don't want a "new" LST. I just want a facelifted version, and to know that it will continue to be out there.
What do you need in a "new" buggy? A slimmer chassis?(so they can go wider next season, ala Mugen?...) A "new" .21 engine? A "new" pipe? "New" tires that will clinch you that win? Half the c.rap that gets released as "new" in the 8th scale racing scene is not really so, at least to any extent that %90 of the people racing the stuff would be able to notice.. Oh wait, that new 210X pipe is going to make all the difference over my old 208X?? OK....
What do you need in a "new" buggy? A slimmer chassis?(so they can go wider next season, ala Mugen?...) A "new" .21 engine? A "new" pipe? "New" tires that will clinch you that win? Half the c.rap that gets released as "new" in the 8th scale racing scene is not really so, at least to any extent that %90 of the people racing the stuff would be able to notice.. Oh wait, that new 210X pipe is going to make all the difference over my old 208X?? OK....
12-19-2013, 11:06 AM
#40
Yeah, that's kind of my point. RC was for specialist shops, like comic book and coin collector stores.. The MT bashing scene which kicked off like ten years ago though is what really made it spread beyond that...
I remember the Beaverstick and beatyourtruck websites(among others). A lot of those guys had been racers, but really popularized RC via their bashing websites and forums. The MT explosion may have subsided, but if so, so has RC in general. An RC race - especially an electric one... - is never going to generate a broader interest in RC the way nitro MT's did. IMO...
I remember the Beaverstick and beatyourtruck websites(among others). A lot of those guys had been racers, but really popularized RC via their bashing websites and forums. The MT explosion may have subsided, but if so, so has RC in general. An RC race - especially an electric one... - is never going to generate a broader interest in RC the way nitro MT's did. IMO...
12-19-2013, 11:22 AM
#41
RC racing has for the most part been a niche hobby for people who are - IMO - WAY too into it.. The explosion in interest in RC which started about ten years ago was down to nitro monster trucks. A lot of those people went into racing, as racing has been perceived as the "in" thing in the last 6-7 years... If you just look at the forums, racing seems to me to be in a steady decline. Sure local tracks here and there might be thriving, but overall I doubt that it's growing for ex.. AFAIC though, racing is WAY too uptight, and requires way too much time and money. With an MT I can go run when I want, where I want, I don't need to invest in a motor home, devote three days a weekend to it, etc..
12-19-2013, 11:26 AM
#42
Yeah, that's kind of my point. RC was for specialist shops, like comic book and coin collector stores.. The MT bashing scene which kicked off like ten years ago though is what really made it spread beyond that...
I remember the Beaverstick and beatyourtruck websites(among others). A lot of those guys had been racers, but really popularized RC via their bashing websites and forums. The MT explosion may have subsided, but if so, so has RC in general. An RC race - especially an electric one... - is never going to generate a broader interest in RC the way nitro MT's did. IMO...
I remember the Beaverstick and beatyourtruck websites(among others). A lot of those guys had been racers, but really popularized RC via their bashing websites and forums. The MT explosion may have subsided, but if so, so has RC in general. An RC race - especially an electric one... - is never going to generate a broader interest in RC the way nitro MT's did. IMO...
12-19-2013, 12:37 PM
#43
You believe MT trucks were the pinnacle of the hobby because, simply put, you're a big fan of monster trucks and it's hard to see the forest from the trees. If anything was a fad MT racing was exactly that. Snowbirds, Cleveland and the Reedy Race, still to this day draws hundreds of entries year after year. I'm willing to bet any of the three races I just listed still to this day draws a bigger turnout than any MT race did back in its hay day.
12-19-2013, 04:42 PM
#44
Well I was one the ones who bought the very first release of the T-Maxx back in the day So I have seen the scene start from nothing , grow, then peak, then decline......At one time I had 15 buddies all with Monster Trucks....We would all go out and bash together, it was great........ Now out of all of them only one still has any nitro RC"s...all the rest have dropped the hobby............. The number 1 reason why these guys left ? shit kept breaking....it was non stop wrenching, and very little actual bashing...Basically we would spend more time on the tailgate working on the truck then we would kicking up dirt on the ground.....These guys finally got sick of all the bullshit and left and left the hobby.........MT's are not made with the care or thought that the race machines are, and because of that they suffered from extreme amounts of reliability and functionality issues....
12-19-2013, 09:45 PM
#45
You believe MT trucks were the pinnacle of the hobby because, simply put, you're a big fan of monster trucks and it's hard to see the forest from the trees. If anything was a fad MT racing was exactly that. Snowbirds, Cleveland and the Reedy Race, still to this day draws hundreds of entries year after year. I'm willing to bet any of the three races I just listed still to this day draws a bigger turnout than any MT race did back in its hay day.
There's more to RC - a lot more - than racing.