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SuperEk4 02-03-2009 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by joeling (Post 5380657)
U don't believe him lah. He is rc crawler king man :nod:



Regards,
Joe Ling

hey u never give me expert advise leh


" hi joe,

I recently short a 9xl feigao within 2days, feigao china emailed me saying that I may hv over amp d motor. Any advise on this?

I gear at 14/62
Lipo 4s 5000 at 25c
Mmmv3 "

Frost 02-03-2009 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by SuperEk4 (Post 5380886)
hey u never give me expert advise leh


" hi joe,

I recently short a 9xl feigao within 2days, feigao china emailed me saying that I may hv over amp d motor. Any advise on this?

I gear at 14/62
Lipo 4s 5000 at 25c
Mmmv3 "

Maybe u need higher voltage...

SuperEk4 02-03-2009 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Frost (Post 5380943)
Maybe u need higher voltage...

4s 5000 lipo not enough? 6s 5000 better?

is there a excel sheet for watt or amps needed for motor?

Radical Freaks 02-03-2009 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Frost (Post 5378863)
Wow!!! notice our bro joeling super loaded... I think he has > than 5 MMM ESCs serving him blissfully.

I only have one packet of M&M chocolates left in my pocket :sweat:



Yeah....thats what i heard too......i guess 3 yes makes it a fact......:smile::smile::smile::lol::lol::D....... ........and normally friendly & always willing to share , always smiling are the signs of loaded kaki.......wahahahhaha:D:D:D:lol::lol::lol:....... ..not easy to maintain those BL monsters man........my Fusion also need to masuk company's bill........kekekekkeeke..............sigh:cry::cr y::D

Radical Freaks 02-03-2009 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by joeling (Post 5378796)
And now for something a litle different - BL Monster Tuck Work In Progress :

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr07.jpg
front sway bar installed

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr06.jpg
rear sway bar installed

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr05.jpg
ACE 1015 .1sec 15kg servo

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr04.jpg
Lipo in the battery compartment

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr03.jpg


http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr02.jpg
Lipo in the battery compartment

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ing39/rr01.jpg
Hobby City Rhino 3S 4900mah 20C lipo X 2

Hopefully will get motor this evening. Esc will be MMM. 21/65 ratio gunning for 38mph (61km/h)

Regards,
Joe Ling



Mmmm.....3S 4900mah 20C x 2....meaning 11.1V x2= 22.2V:)............what will be the run time like?? :confused:

I wonder my Hobbywing 80A w 3665 BL Motors:) can take this combination as well?? How do we know , how capable are our systems??? To what extend...?:confused:

And if higher C, say like 30-35C, is it still ok??? The last thing i want is keluar asap from my ESC or Motor........

joeling 02-03-2009 04:10 PM

Hi SuperEk4,

Sorry, I was having a little bit if internet problem at home :sweat:. Connection erratic. Was trying to upload this chart of feigao motor rating :

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a.../54020Size.jpg

This chart shows that the 9Xl can take 74A before its rating is exceeded. Normally, if overamped, motor should get overheated & the rotor loses its magnetism (to a certain extent). However, for the motor to overheat until the enamel melt & cause a short. Hmmm, that will take a hell lot of current...:eek:


Originally Posted by SuperEk4 (Post 5380886)
hey u never give me expert advise leh


" hi joe,

I recently short a 9xl feigao within 2days, feigao china emailed me saying that I may hv over amp d motor. Any advise on this?

I gear at 14/62
Lipo 4s 5000 at 25c
Mmmv3 "

Regards,
Joe Ling

Frost 02-03-2009 04:39 PM

hmm... (I think laa....) to prevent your motor from overamped....

one way is to increase resistance, perhaps by increasing the pinion size to about 16-17T ?

another way is to reduce the voltage, use lower S count Lipo battery.

Or control Tx throttle curve :D

Or use a smaller ESC, and give that MMM ESC to me :lol::lol::lol:

joeling 02-03-2009 05:38 PM

Hi Radical,

My target runtime is 20 minutes. A 5S 6000mah has similar capacity & in a truggy which is slightly lighter, 20 minutes is possible. So, I guess 6S which is slight more efficient in a heavier MT like the Revo can last 20 minutes.

U have to check the spec of your esc to make sure that it is 6S capable. If not, u will see the magic smoke escape from the esc, very hard to put it back in :lol:

Battery C rating the higher the better.


Originally Posted by Radical Freaks (Post 5381580)
Mmmm.....3S 4900mah 20C x 2....meaning 11.1V x2= 22.2V:)............what will be the run time like?? :confused:

I wonder my Hobbywing 80A w 3665 BL Motors:) can take this combination as well?? How do we know , how capable are our systems??? To what extend...?:confused:

And if higher C, say like 30-35C, is it still ok??? The last thing i want is keluar asap from my ESC or Motor........

Regards,
Joe Ling

SuperEk4 02-03-2009 06:47 PM

hi Joe, I saw d chart, I wonder if a normal setup of 14t n 62 spur will overload d motor? Even I use d speed chart website n calcuated d power output it did not exceed.offshore has stop emailing me now my only hope is feigao but dun think they will swap one for me.

I m so fed up now I bought a watt meter.any advise on this topic? It will b a great help for 1/8 electric guys

joeling 02-03-2009 06:49 PM

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Hmm, decreasing cell count is going to increase current draw. Put it this way - it's about power output in the end. Simply put :

Power = Voltage X Current

To produce the same power with lesser voltage, more current is needed & vice versa.

More current results in more wasted heat due to resistance in the system.

So, higher voltage setups tends run cooler & longer for the same capacity of power source (battery)


Originally Posted by Frost (Post 5383274)
hmm... (I think laa....) to prevent your motor from overamped....

one way is to increase resistance, perhaps by increasing the pinion size to about 16-17T ?

another way is to reduce the voltage, use lower S count Lipo battery.

Or control Tx throttle curve :D

Or use a smaller ESC, and give that MMM ESC to me :lol::lol::lol:

Regards,
Joe Ling

PS : Frost, Feigao cahrt as attached

joeling 02-03-2009 07:47 PM

My personal feeling is that the quality of the motor is in question lah.

Some kind of wattmeter is a good investment. Use this one :

http://www.eagletreesystems.com/MicroPower/micro.htm

http://www.eagletreesystems.com/Micr...3-angle-sm.gif

Records many things like battery voltage, current draw, temperature... I get good results but can be a hassle for a lazy bum like me.



Originally Posted by SuperEk4 (Post 5383990)
hi Joe, I saw d chart, I wonder if a normal setup of 14t n 62 spur will overload d motor? Even I use d speed chart website n calcuated d power output it did not exceed.offshore has stop emailing me now my only hope is feigao but dun think they will swap one for me.

I m so fed up now I bought a watt meter.any advise on this topic? It will b a great help for 1/8 electric guys

Regards,
Joe Ling

Frost 02-03-2009 07:47 PM

hmm.. if we use Ohm's Law, I = V / R, voltage increase also means amperes increase... bro... :weird:

joeling 02-03-2009 08:59 PM

Aiyah, have to use formula in context lah :sweat:

BTW, HN fans - check this out !

http://www.neobuggy.net/images/News/x2el.jpg


Originally Posted by Frost (Post 5384329)
hmm.. if we use Ohm's Law, I = V / R, voltage increase also means amperes increase... bro... :weird:

Regards,
Joe Ling

SuperEk4 02-04-2009 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by joeling (Post 5384658)
Aiyah, have to use formula in context lah :sweat:

BTW, HN fans - check this out !

http://www.neobuggy.net/images/News/x2el.jpg



Regards,
Joe Ling

that's nice but I prefer to chose my Esc n motor, how much izzit?

Radical Freaks 02-04-2009 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by joeling (Post 5383588)
Hi Radical,

My target runtime is 20 minutes. A 5S 6000mah has similar capacity & in a truggy which is slightly lighter, 20 minutes is possible. So, I guess 6S which is slight more efficient in a heavier MT like the Revo can last 20 minutes.

U have to check the spec of your esc to make sure that it is 6S capable. If not, u will see the magic smoke escape from the esc, very hard to put it back in :lol:

Battery C rating the higher the better.



Regards,
Joe Ling

JL, Thanks.......i have just check the 80A is good for 4s.......only 150A is good for 6s.....oh well............i will just have to take it easy.......hehehe........:D


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