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True off-road is very popular, and that's the issue....loyalty and taking it for granted is and always an issue that plays offroad....racers get upset or lose and then no big deal I will go xxx track and be at no lost.... Where onroad if done correctly you will build a strong loyalty cause once you invest into a $500 TC you want to run it...and that's always in your mind that support is needed to keep the doors open. Thus building the loyalty and dedication to show up and race... Its all about the numbers! Off Road is on the up and up! You cannot blame a owner for doing what is by far the more lucrative move! |
Originally Posted by synap2012
(Post 12951281)
hmmm seems a little bias, not poking fun but my 2wd buggy cost more than $500, and to say that there are no sore loser's in the onroad world seems a bit off too :)
Its all about the numbers! Off Road is on the up and up! You cannot blame a owner for doing what is by far the more lucrative move! |
Originally Posted by Rfury
(Post 12951327)
TC kits are $500+ for the majority. You still have to add the electronics and such on top of that.
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Originally Posted by DARKSIDE
(Post 12950995)
issue is that ppl tend to take advantage of the idea that no matter what happens, I can go xyz track if it doesn't work out here or there. If Im at HS and things don't go my way, I have the option of packing my stuff and run up the road to Daltons and continue racing, and never look back at HS...
Loyalty to a track is the key to keeping the doors open, and offroad guys incl myself when I raced it don't have that....we have 4-6 outdoor tracks here at "1" time...and every weekend we bounced to whomever had the best competition and newest layout or whatever....no loyalty, and that's why the all closed down... Bottom line if HS wants to stay open they have to bring in money. If on road could do that we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
Originally Posted by Mizchief
(Post 12951642)
Kindness and loyalty is not a business plan. The track owner must decide if he wants to have a business or a hobby. If you want to run it as a hobby you will need volunteers to keep it running. What your describing is basic economics which has been going on for thousands of years. You can't just put up a track then complain that racer's aren't loyal enough to race on your track when they get a better experience at others.
Bottom line if HS wants to stay open they have to bring in money. If on road could do that we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
I have recommended we race On road on Sunday so many times it drives me crazy. Wednesday night historical became the night because of the newness of the track. Yes we used to have big turnouts but if you listen to a lot of racers that stopped coming, they will tell it's hard to get in and out of hotshots at decent hour and get to work or school. The problem is no change came. No adjustments were made. I know he tried it once but that's just it, it was once and it was very short notice. I still feel had he made those 2 changes he would had spent less money to make more money. He would have the largest indoor on road track in the region and been able to hold the Roar carpet nationals and other large events with out any competition.
Back to the subject...... yeah ill be there to race on Wednesday night probably not as much as I was with on road because I'll probably will be preparing to travel to other on road tracks that don't have a facility as good as what Hotshot RC could have. |
This entire conversation is going to feel very ironic a year from now...
Myron, I appreciate the effort, but we have been fighting this fight for months. Onroad is not dead in GA, though it appears to soon be at Hot Shots. Some may argue it died a year+ ago. Hot Shots is a business and should be run like one, and I hold 0 ill will towards Brad over his upcoming decision. I truely do not envy him having to make it either. For the time being, when the onroad track gets more covered in dirt, we will come up to Thunder and One Lug to get our fix. |
I could make a Wednesday night event 1-2 times per month.
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I say move the stand back and have a small onroad and big offroad.
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Okay you guys this is becoming pointless. Any off road racer on the outside looking in is going to see the same thing. On road number are down and this track may close if we don't do anything about it. I know why it's this way as do many of you but at this point it's irreversible damage that's already been done.
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Again I will be coming on Wednesday may be once or twice a month.
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Originally Posted by rcbo
(Post 12952271)
He has shown a good effort on here but no support at races.From what I heard from racers at HS he won't come race because they run roar rules and not his rules.
Lets be clear im very pro-USVTA, but im more pro on road. I enjoy coming to the ATL and so does my girls. So me not coming to the GORC has nothing to do with rules. Also they are not "my" rules, they are the national rules that most tracks go by and see great entries from it. But this isn't about me. Its about the onroad guys wanting and needing and track to race. And giving the chance I think hot shots could be the premier carpet track in the country. Hot bed in Atlanta GA. Nice location Good hobbyshop Only track of its kind in the whole state Largest indoor carpet track in the nation Host of national level events Etc etc ect |
Onroad...9-12 a night tops
Offroad...30-60 a night and growing... do the math. |
Originally Posted by DARKSIDE
(Post 12952366)
Ok I guess your source didnt tell you I had my aunt step dad and good friend pass away during the end of Oct and Nov? ...
Lets be clear im very pro-USVTA, but im more pro on road. I enjoy coming to the ATL and so does my girls. So me not coming to the GORC has nothing to do with rules. Also they are not "my" rules, they are the national rules that most tracks go by and see great entries from it. But this isn't about me. Its about the onroad guys wanting and needing and track to race. And giving the chance I think hot shots could be the premier carpet track in the country. Hot bed in Atlanta GA. Nice location Good hobbyshop Only track of its kind in the whole state Largest indoor carpet track in the nation Host of national level events Etc etc ect Why not just level the onroad track for now, generate some padding in the bank and when one of the adjacent units opens up, put an onroad track in there, completely separate from the dirt. |
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