2011 Super Cup Series

Old 12-31-2010, 11:53 AM
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No, he stopped racing cause ROAR banned lightsabers on the drivers stand. Go figure!
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:16 PM
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I found this post on the starting grid and it really well thought out and gives insight into why ROAR made the decision it did in regards to the ribbed tires. This was a post by Steve Pond the new ROAR president in response to Kendall Bennett of amainhobbies.com. READ IT

Kendall, I have to say I'm a little disappointed to see this type of
post coming from you. Not so much because you have an opinion – everyone
seems to have one these days. Because, however, there are no stone
tablets that have the absolute correct answer to every issue ROAR will
confront, so everyone's opinion has some merit, but "retarded?" Really?
You speak of ROAR as though it's some unknown entity, but you and I have
had a friendly relationship for years and at least if I disagree with
anything you've done, I'd certainly never call it "retarded." You have
my phone number and email address – if you really wanted to know the
background behind this, you could have just called or emailed and I
would have been happy to explain the logic behind it. I'll get back to
the tire issue in a moment so I can offer my viewpoint on the items you
bring up in order.

Regarding standardizing the wheels and other items – I've always been a
HUGE advocate for standardizing certain aspects of vehicle design, such
as wheels, servo output shafts, connectors, battery configurations, etc.
But it's the manufacturers have sometimes deliberately made non-standard
items for their own reasons. In some cases it's just a matter of them
designing a wheel mount and offset to achieve full width using items
that are already in production on other vehicles instead of designing
new parts. For the aforementioned manufacturers, this helps to reduce
expense and ultimately the price to the consumer, so there is SOME
merit. There are also some cases where manufacturers make products to
leverage their position in the market to require that dealers and
customers buy their products instead of the many "standardized" items
that are interchangeable. The latter is something that I would rather
not happen, but my perspective is different than that of the
manufacturer. For every person like you and I that would like to
regulate that into compliance, there are other opinions that ROAR should
"let the market decide." I know all too well the impact of non-standard
components and the exponential costs to dealers and customers to support
the varying standards, so I'm with you in that respect. However, these
are decisions made by the manufacturers – so I fail to see why this has
become another point of criticism for ROAR. They're (the manufacturers)
the ones making the decisions to make non-standard components, but
somehow it's ROAR's fault???? Then when ROAR does regulate these things,
it's met by an onslaught of petulant anarchists who simply don't want to
have anyone tell them what they can and can't use. It seems like a
no-win situation sometimes – damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Perhaps identifying the vehicle that will establish the standard is
something that can be done in the future to let manufactures know that,
new products in a category that ROAR recognizes will be measured against
that vehicle to establish "standards." It won't be as simple as it
appears, because some manufacturers will tell us why it's going to cost
more to do it our way than their way.

I'm not a fan of ultra-soft tires for all the reasons already stated. I
wasn't able to make that decision when it was perhaps appropriate, but
whether it's appropriate itself may be a hotly contested issue. Should
ROAR ban certain compounds? Maybe. Maybe you should be ROAR President
for a week and declare that all soft compound tires are banned, and then
maybe you'll get a flavor of what it's like to have half the racing
world tell you how "retarded" ROAR is, how insignificant the rule is
because nobody follows it anyway...

The decision to not allow the ribbed front tires isn't the only
opportunity there will be to address whatever issues may arise in the SC
class and others for that matter. It doesn't preclude ROAR from
considering other options, nor does it have to be predicated in ROAR
having made perfect decisions on everything else in the past. It's just
one of many decisions that are going to be made while I'm volunteering
my time in the organization that's established the framework under which
we've raced for the last four decades. It's not exclusively a
performance issue, nor is is just a cost issue. It's a decision that
takes into account many factors – some of which you've complained about.
Are ribbed tires going to be faster? Probably not. In fact, the 1/10
truck class has been shifting towards treaded tires in the front for
more traction for a few years, so there's no evidence to suggest that
they'll be any better than the tires we're already running.

Ribbed tires just add to the number of tires that the racer is going to
have to bring to the track to be sure they have every angle covered.
It's also a step towards the 1/10 truck class, and given the precipitous
drop in participation that class has seen even before the SC truck were
introduced, why encourage another move in that direction? It's going to
mean that distributors and retailers are going to have to carry more
products, and so will the racer.

Making rules like these is an educated judgment about whether you think
an item like this is going to add to the experience for the racer, and
that the cost is going to be worth it. If it's not going to make the
racing experience more enjoyable, it's not scale (which is the single
greatest factor that's made this class so popular), it's going to expand
the tire section of every hobby shop wall when many of them are having a
hard enough time getting by, and it's a step in the direction of a class
that is already fledgling, then the decision seems to make much more
sense. It doesn't make ROAR's decision or your position any more or less
valid, but the vitriol really needs to go away.

In the end, there has to be a line somewhere. The overly emotional
debates that use apocalyptic words to describe a decision that doesn't
fit one's own thinking needs to stop. It's really just a debate over
where to establish the boundaries that are going to ensure that RC
racing remains healthy for years to come. We need people like you, who
are in a position of responsibility, to look at the bigger picture and
ENCOURAGE everyone to support a set of rules that will be consistent
from one track to another. It's never going to be all things to all
people, but the more that people buy into the rhetoric that they should
just do "whatever they want" when it comes to rules, the less we have a
consistent framework for racers to count on when racing at various
tracks around the country. If that happens on an increasingly larger
scale, then there's not much of a future for RC racing.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:34 PM
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Cars are ready to roll; let's get this show on the road!!!!
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PW
Cars are ready to roll; let's get this show on the road!!!!
+1 Lets Race ribbed tires and all
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Plus 1 on the Ribbed tires!
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+1 on just racing! I think the SC truck enduro race is going to be epic!
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How is the Sc enduro race going to work what are the rules and class?
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Originally Posted by b4infl
How is the Sc enduro race going to work what are the rules and class?
Should be post later this week .
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Looking forward to hitting ehz for the first time!
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Originally Posted by b4infl
How is the Sc enduro race going to work what are the rules and class?
The Super Cup 300 looks very interesting. If you know where to look...
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Originally Posted by dzstr
The Super Cup 300 looks very interesting. If you know where to look...
especially since the qualifiers are at midnight...
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sage
especially since the qualifiers are at midnight...
....and I hear you have to run Ribs front and rear .

Jader told me he wanted to enter the Super Cup 300, but was waiting for Applegate to post the rules/schedule or he's not racing.
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In October I was told that for the 2011 super cup series, Jconcepts will be dropping the 13.5 superstock class in an attempt to comply with ROAR rules.
In fact, the Jconcepts clash did not have a superstock class. Being a die hard superstock fan, I was disappointed that such a popular class was being dropped. But rules are rules.

Now ROAR has outlawed the use of ribbed front sc tires. All of a sudden the rules are not good enough. Jconcepts was not the only tire manufacture to have a front ribbed sc tire in the works. I wonder how many racers would complain about a track that has lanes no wider then 5 feet when Roar clearly states 8 feet min. I also wonder how a person on vacation would fare when he thinks the series is following Roar rules.

I had to be a member of roar to race at the super cup series in October and I also had to be a member to race the Clash in Decmber. As a Member, I signed an agreement that said I would follow ALL ROAR rules. Therefore I can not just follow the ones I agree with.
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Just going to give a heads up to everyone ... I will be the MC for the SuperCup awards presentation and most likely will be calling all the complainers out! We will also be simulcasting it out in Spanish VIA Jader Lopez.
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