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Old 09-20-2017, 12:30 PM
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I have recently gotten back into rc in a big way. And very sad to hear Team Novak closing their doors.
So i snapped up a Havoc Pro Sc Esc and a Ballistic 540 13Turn Motor.
Got me to thinking...
1. What was their best 540 and 550 size motors?
2. Are there any rotors eg trinity tekin etc, that would fit into a ballistic motor.
3. Vulcan and Ballistic look identical is everything interchangeable.?
4. If so, using the available Vulcan/Ballistic endbells,rotors,sensor boards stators, which pieces would make the "best" motor if you had every part?

I would use these
-My turn choice of "red wire" hand wound stator. (Dont know if vulcan is the same as ballistic)
-the vented rear end cap.
-ceramic bearings.
-novak 14mm sintered rotor (biggest available i believe)
-ballistic 540 slip ring cause i like the name.
-polish the rotor and somehow balance with pinion fitted.
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Originally Posted by Allan_s2rx7 View Post
I have recently gotten back into rc in a big way. And very sad to hear Team Novak closing their doors.
So i snapped up a Havoc Pro Sc Esc and a Ballistic 540 13Turn Motor.
Got me to thinking...
1. What was their best 540 and 550 size motors?

For what? Not sure what your asking here.


2. Are there any rotors eg trinity tekin etc, that would fit into a ballistic motor.

No

3. Vulcan and Ballistic look identical is everything interchangeable.?

Vulcan is short stack stator, Ballistic is old style stator.

4. If so, using the available Vulcan/Ballistic endbells,rotors,sensor boards stators, which pieces would make the "best" motor if you had every part?

The off the shelf Vulcan was as good as it gets.

I would use these
-My turn choice of "red wire" hand wound stator. (Dont know if vulcan is the same as ballistic)

Red wire was the Vulcan stators.

-the vented rear end cap.
-ceramic bearings.

-novak 14mm sintered rotor (biggest available i believe)

Check with your local club, but 14mm is not ROAR legal.

-ballistic 540 slip ring cause i like the name.

The slip ring will not work with the Vucan stator because its a short stack and the ring was made for the Ballistic stator. So the ring is wider and won't allow for the end bells to grab the stator plates for proper alignment. You would have to file the ring down for it to work.

-polish the rotor and somehow balance with pinion fitted.
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Thanks your info.
When i say best i just mean the best... not for any particular application.
The stators look identical. Just the front can of Vulcan looks longer.
I have a red wire ballistic 13.5T . And im aware its not roar legal i believe 13mm largest allowable? I was more thinking of buying every size stator available and a bunch of stators..
Just that i already have a ballistic so going that route over a bunch of vulcan stuff is cheaper.
I guess a proper question would be.
Is a Vulcan sensor board and red wire stator better than a ballistic sensor board and stator?
Looks identical technology in both.
Hence take 1 of each with same rotor size and vented cans, you get the same motor just different looks.?
What about balancing? I tried it and got it better but not perfect.
And i polished it also. It looks phenomenal. Like a mirror.
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Okay so they ARE the same winding as far as fitment.
You can buy a Vulcan stator or ballistic and throw in either motor.
Basically the orange slip ring and front endbell is the same length as the front of the vulcan motor.

I wanna hear from some people who have ran these motors.
I want to know how the different windings perform, and what the 550 can ballistic goes like?
Also anyone thrown a 540 Ballistic on 3s?
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I have run the ballistic 17.5t, 13.5t, 21.5t, 25.5t in tc and F1 cars... They are very smooth and like to be run around 40* to 45* with conservative gearing due to their 1300 gauss rotors, compared to other motors who run 1600+ rotors... They are not bad once you know not to overgear or overtime them. I would guess that 4.5A to 5.5A on the analyzer would be best... I got my 17.5t (12.5mm rotor) at 5.4A and 3153kv, which is pretty good. I did not test it on the track though....
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
due to their 1300 gauss rotors, compared to other motors who run 1600+ rotors...
I dont understand what this is. The stregth or durability of the rotor?

I was going to get the sintered rotors in each size, ceramic bearings and vented can.
Thanks your input. Very very helpful.
Someone with experience with 4.5 5.5 turn etc ballistics please chime in.
Also curious on the 550 compared to other 550 motors.??
540 ballistic 13.5T on 3s??
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Originally Posted by Allan_s2rx7 View Post
I dont understand what this is. The stregth or durability of the rotor?

I was going to get the sintered rotors in each size, ceramic bearings and vented can.
Thanks your input. Very very helpful.
Someone with experience with 4.5 5.5 turn etc ballistics please chime in.
Also curious on the 550 compared to other 550 motors.??
540 ballistic 13.5T on 3s??
Spending money on these motors really is a waste of time.
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That's the strength of the rotors: 1300 gauss rotors are sintered, but a little weak for stock racing, eventhough they will have higher rpm than 1600+ rotors....
My 17.5t ballistic has ceramic bearings, polished rotor, but no vented cans: it works fine with the correct gearing...If you run mod, the 13mm rotor will be very strong and might break traction alot compared to the 12.3mm mod rotor: I run the 12.3 rotor in mod without any issues....
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Spending money on these motors really is a waste of time.
Novak being out of business might have caused enough of a price reduction to make it worthwhile....
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Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Novak being out of business might have caused enough of a price reduction to make it worthwhile....
I seriously doubt it.

Motor tech - especially stock - has moved on a long way since the ballistic and vulcan series were new.
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I seriously doubt it.

Motor tech - especially stock - has moved on a long way since the ballistic and vulcan series were new.
Yes, but now the motors are so full of vent holes that debris will become a serious issue... Also, most stock classes are running a handout spec motor now, so spending $160 for the latest and greatest will not be necessary anymore....Motor manufacturers had their way for a longtime, but now they will be forced to produce cheaper $47 motors for the spec class....If you can get a Novak for less than that, I say go for it....
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Spending money on these motors really is a waste of time.
Wow thanks for your input.
Go find another thread.
You chimed in twice on this thread just to put it down.
The only thing thats a waste of time was reading your comments.
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Originally Posted by Allan_s2rx7 View Post
I dont understand what this is. The stregth or durability of the rotor?

I was going to get the sintered rotors in each size, ceramic bearings and vented can.
Thanks your input. Very very helpful.
Someone with experience with 4.5 5.5 turn etc ballistics please chime in.
Also curious on the 550 compared to other 550 motors.??
540 ballistic 13.5T on 3s??
Vulcan and ballistic are effectively interchangeable. The ballistic came in two stator lengths, the original long and the high rpm short or Vulcan stator. To use the short one in a ballistic you need to run the ring or the motor won't have enough spacing.
Compared to the new motors the Novak motors have too much resistance and weak rotors. Even the outlaw gray stators are not as good as the new motors.
Personally I found that for spec racing the 12.5 rotors ran cooler and faster. Novak motors had a large diameter front bearing which meant that no other rotor would fit.
It's really a shame as other than the gold wire stators, the motors were well built and ran well.
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Yes the 12.5mm rotors made the Novak motors run decent, not overpowered and smooth, but brakes were mostly on the soft side... If you are a smooth driver, than you're golden. If not, you will need the new crop of motors with 1600+ rotors....
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