Tc4, Tc7 or X-ray t4
 

Hey, would just like some adivice on an electric touring car 1/10. I like and have a good run with Team Accosiated and looking at the Tc7, Tc4 and I also like the X-ray T4 2017. I like the X-ray but wondering what would be the best out of them three?? I plan to use it for just taking out and maybe racing down the track. My main question is for all three can you put lipo batteries in all of them with other connectors other than bullet ones?my main concern is for a secure compartment for lipo and just a quality.

IMO the best of these is the Xray, hands down. Of course the Associateds can be run as well - although the TC4 is of limited use, depending on what class you want to run. However, modern touring cars usually don't have "secure compartments" for lipos. Mostly they are just strapped in, by sticky or velcro tape (it's important to not fix them too rigidly, otherwise they would affect chassis flex). And these tape mountings might get in the way, if using non-bullet connector type batteries. Any special reason why you don't want bullet connector on your lipos?

Thanks for the info that does make sense. I looked at the set up for the lipo battery on the Tc7 and the Xray T4 and I looove the set up and look. The only reason why I mention other lipos was because I have a Robitronic avid one of the first ones and I didn't realise until after a while that i wanted lipo, so long story short I tried everything to make a lipo stick as i don't like altering or drilling chassis... It wouldn't stay and so now i have decided to get an actual lipo roller and put all the gear in that, the saddest part was the amount of money i put into it and in the end wasn't what i wanted. So for that car i have a lipo with deans connector but don't mind if i have to get a new battery just thought i would try. I do like the bullet connectors but yeah just ticking all the boxes mate and double checking. I have always like Xray and also have an Nt1. What about Serpent, Any you could recommend from them? I loove Serpent as i have there 977e

Whats your opinion about the NATRIX 748-E 200mm??

You could use some kind of adapter cable, with bullet plugs for the lipo on one end and a Deans connector towards your ESC - although I would not recommend this, as each connector will add some resistance, etc. In racing, plain bullet connectors are standard.

Serpent has an interesting TC, with a non-standard design: http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...oject-4-x.html, but by being a non-standard design, it maybe a little harder to understand how it works and in finding a good setup. Also, if you break something on race day, it will probably be much harder to get replacement parts than with a brand like Xray or Associated.

For most classes in electric racing you'll need a 190mm chassis, so I never bothered looking at a 200mm car - sorry can't tell you anything about that NATRIX.

Awesome thanks for the advice. Actually i did notice that the serpent project 4-X did look rather different to most i have seen. Is there a big difference between the T4 and the T4 Graphite?

Also is that for carpet or asphalt as i need asphalt? How can you tell generally when buying if it doesn't specify?

Assuming we're talking about the Xray T4 2017 - the car comes with a graphite chassis, with the exception of the US, where it was sold with the flex aluminium chassis. Both chassis (plus the non-flex alu chassis) are available as tuning parts. The graphite chassis is mostly used for asphalt / low grip while the alu chassis is for carpet / high grip racing, as it has less flex. So depending on what surface you're planning to run on, you choose your chassis.

Yeah sorry talking about the T4 2017... What about this one.

Xray T4 2017 1/10 Touring Car Kit | eBay

Looks good. Appears to be cheaper than over here, too. But: the T4'17 was released in September 2016 - so we might see the 2018 version within the next 3 weeks. (maybe not in shops, but on Xray's site). So it might be worth waiting for that.

Yeah it's a great price. I don't plan on racing where I am as the club is a while away but maybe a few times. So would the 2018 upgrades be worth waiting for mate?

Probably not. If set on a XRay I'd suggest looking for used. Soon after the new model is released, the older ones usually start to pop up for sale. I bought my T4 14 model few months after the 2015 came out. Got full car plus spares I still haven't needed for less then the kit alone.

With these being kits, it's your choice as to what moto/esc is used. Lipo fit fine,both standard and shorty sized. Some of mine use bullet connection, some use more typical deans/Traxxas connections. It's your choice.

How is the pavement since sounds like track running will be secondary use? I run mine on both prepared and unprepared surfaces.

Tc4 is shaft driven, the tc7 and T4 are belt driven.

I have both Xray and Associated Touring cars , I would go with the xray.
Replacement parts cost about double for the Xray though:tire:

Where would be the best place to find a used one.. Like eBay or? I will admit used would be better and i agree you can get some good bargains, the only thing is I hardly find them on eBay. I will be mostly running on unprepared surfaces though, the pavement will always be to a standard as i take alot of notice where i run my models before using them but one the less will be unprepared mate

Nobody knows what the 2018 will look like yet. Just wanted you to be aware of the fact, that the '18 model is right around the corner before you buy anything. The '17 is a very good car, and once the '18 comes out, you'll find plenty of used '17 for sale.

I would buy the TC7.1. Great car, comes with the DCJ front axles and steel outdrives. Handles great and parts are less money than the Xray. The Xray is a great car, but at our asphalt track the fastest guy runs a TC7.1. But make sure you get the clockwise kit for the southern hemisphere! :sneaky:

eBay has been good for me. Probably bought around a dozen used over past 3-4 years. I usually check for used touring cars once a day. Never know what might pop up. There were 3 TC4 in past week. Looked like all from same owner.

Not any more he runs a Mugen. Ha Ha

True true, I may wait a bit and see what it looks like. What are your thoughts on the X-ray Nt1 compared to the Serpent Natrix 748? Thought I would ask I need a new one for my nitro car as well

Not yet he doesn't. :D

PS Good running tonight.

Yeah nice.. What do you mean by the clockwise Southern Hemisphere mate? :-/

Ok cool cool, I can get a tc4 kit brand new for round $230 online but would like something more. I like the shaft driven though

If you get the Tc7.1 do yourself a favor , get the the Graphite upper bumper brace . The bottom bumper plate will snap off like a Dry Twig with the slightest collision :tire:

Ive broken two lower bumper plates with the Tc 7 already ( ive Never broken one with any other car)

My driving has been getting better, and the cars are setup very well.

There has been a very big effort to bring back the true spec class for new racers, with tamperproof motors and fixed fdr, so the differences in chassis designs will be minimized, although setup knowledge will be even more important.... Any of these chassis can get you a podium finish as long as you can get to minimum weight with the correct setup in the new Spec Class orientated racing scene... I got my tc4 FT ready to race Spec carpet Class, so the expensive kits are not required.... Cheers....

Put a longer screw and a lock nut for the bottom brace too. Helps a lot

Would the Tc4 be ok with lipo?? And what are your thoughts on the kit??
Cheers

Lipo is fine in a TC4. However, tc7 and xray t4 or leaps and bounds a better car.

Would the Tc4 be ok with lipo?? And what are your thoughts on the kit??
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Awesome thank you for the feedback :). I have a Tc3 and an Nt1r and don't like it as i should have got the Nt1 and i own a Tc3 nitro version and wondering if it would be better instead of buying an Nt1 i could put my O.S .12 in the tc3?? Would that work? Sorry i know this is the electric on road thread but thought i would ask mate

I've been running lipos in my tc4 since 2010 or so, and they make the tc4 competitive by dropping the weight down enough to make minimum weight. You will need to select your packs carefully though(usually under 240grams) to make weight... The kit also runs best with the sweep stc6 ultra lightweight body, and gold swaybars f&r, on crc black carpet, but the best investment is in a wider foam bumper....

Xray T4 is a good car but don't bother waiting for the new one unless you plan to be super competitive. The company releases new car with only minor upgrades every single year.
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I used to wonder the same thing, ...what's the best touring car available. I've come to realize after several years of racing that there really isn't a best car. There is a best driver and best car combo though. ...I've seen GREAT drivers, I mean really good drivers who've raced against the guys you read about in magazines get top spot with Team Xrays, TC7.1's, Yokomo's, Tamiya's and a shumacher. ...I've come to realize that you can get top spot with many cars. I too am looking to purchase a new TC car, ...for me i'll probably go w/ a TC7.1 because of price and availability of parts, oh and I've seen drivers win with that car (as I have w/ the others as well).

Yeah exactly right mate. Yeah Team Associated are great! Must say i have the NTC3 and love it! I even bought another one.