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Old 07-25-2017, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by caltek1
Run more toe out on the front. It will lessen the torque steer. I am using 300k in my oil gear and have no issues with torque steer on my M07.
I'll try that. Have 1mm spacers in the steering links currently. I do have the front anti roll bar. Not sure it is very effective.

My rear toe in is half of yours. I think less helps with corner speed. Running on
black CRC carpet. No trail brake and not using any brake. Lift and turn.
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So, here's my experience with building the M07 Concept.

First off, the amount of fiber injected parts is amazing.

The car does not come with a motor, esc, body, or tires.

To complete the car, you'll need a 2.5mm drill bit, locktite, the usual phillips screwdriver, a set of tires, a body (medium or long), and radio gear. The car comes with oil for the shocks, and oil for the diff.

Of important note, the car comes with some interesting components:

* CVDs
* Metal Motor plate
* Bearings
* Oil filled diff
* Oil filled shocks
* Aluminum rear axles
* Heavy duty servo saver
* Metal steering posts
* Bearing supported steering bellcrank
* Not one screw pin!

The overall design has some really high, high points. All of the suspension components are symmetrical, and the same left to right. A set of spares for this car is half the parts you'd need for a M05.

The suspension hinge pins are of the modern touring car style. That is the outer pivot pins are retained in the hub carriers, providing very little slop. And the inner pivots are retained in cups.

While we're on the subject of swingarms, they all have droop screws.

The car assembles quickly, and logically. Due to design choices that were made for ease of maintenance, assembly order matters a lot less. The M05 is a jigsaw that goes together in one way. There are lots of little access holes you wouldn't expect, to allow for individual components to be easily removed without having to tear apart the chassis.

Most of the car uses the same screws. This A1 screw, while the M05 used a bunch of different screws for assembly. None of the screws are self tapping either. They're slightly harder to start in the plastic, but feel more solid once things are cinched down.

The car comes with adjustable control links on all of the normal places. ... My fingers still hurt from assembling those.

Speaking of adjustment, the car has adjustable rear toe, without needing to swap carriers.

Suffice it to say, i'm very impressed with this kit.
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Originally Posted by Nerobro
The car does not come with a motor, esc, body, or tires.

To complete the car, you'll need a 2.5mm drill bit, locktite, the usual phillips screwdriver, a set of tires, a body (medium or long), and radio gear. The car comes with oil for the shocks, and oil for the diff.

The car comes with adjustable control links on all of the normal places. ... My fingers still hurt from assembling those.

Suffice it to say, i'm very impressed with this kit.
I knew it didn't come with a body nor electronics, but not even wheels and tires?

I'm really glad to hear there are no self-tapping screws. Those don't belong in RC - ever.

Do you put Chapstick on the threads? That acts as lube and typically makes it easier to screw the ends on the links.

I'm glad to hear it's a great kit though since this will be my first M chassis.
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It comes with wheels. But no tires. :-)

See, I didn't know about the chapstick thing.

I swear, people ~want~ you to fail building these things. Hah.
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Nerobro...what's the 2.5mm drill bit for (what step)?
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I think you have to drill out the grub screw holes in the bottom of each hub. These allow you to use a screw to retain the outer hinge pin.
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The M05 is a jigsaw that goes together in one way.
LOL! Ha, that describes what I've felt but never put into words about the M05 for years!!!! Perfect!
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Thanks altitudelow. Got it...step 25. Bummer it's not pre-drilled.
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Originally Posted by rskoncepts
Thanks altitudelow. Got it...step 25. Bummer it's not pre-drilled.
Having those carriers pre-drilled would have likely added a full dollar to the cost of the kit. It would have taken at least one more part to the mold, and that would be a very, very tricky one to put in there.

It would have been nice if a bit was included....
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Nerobro...thanks and I really appreciate your build notes.
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What pinion would you guys recommend for a 27T silver can and possibly a 24T Torque Tuned? I'm keeping it tame to run with my friends and their M's that have similar motors.

I also need to get some good tires for parking lot racing so there may or may not be some pebbles. I'd happily listen to those suggestions as well.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper
What pinion would you guys recommend for a 27T silver can and possibly a 24T Torque Tuned? I'm keeping it tame to run with my friends and their M's that have similar motors.

I also need to get some good tires for parking lot racing so there may or may not be some pebbles. I'd happily listen to those suggestions as well.

Thanks!
S-Grips tires
What size track?
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Originally Posted by Al Sodano
S-Grips tires
What size track?
Parking lot racing with friends.
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Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper
Parking lot racing with friends.
If it's a normal size area. 100x60
I would go with a 20 tooth pinion
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Originally Posted by Al Sodano
If it's a normal size area. 100x60
I would go with a 20 tooth pinion
Thanks for the input. It looks like the 20T is included with the kit if I can believe the manual. So I will start with that. Thank you!
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