View Poll Results: 1/12th scale Rubber or Foam tires
Rubber Tires
96
41.56%
Foam Tires
135
58.44%
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332Likes1/12th scale rubber tires
01-26-2018, 08:57 AM
#286
Tech Regular
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Originally Posted by celt
It's more than a lot of fun...I genuinely believe that this class or one similar to it, is needed for on-road to remain viable.
On-road killing it anywhere in the states?
Some of us are still holding on to the same attitudes that caused the decline of on-road more than a decade ago or thereabouts. Not intentionally I don't think, but the result the same, and, I can see the same narrative alive in this thread today. I was a part of that crowd, in the middle of it, watched it happen, perhaps a part of the problem myself. This is maybe a confession of sorts...but if you guys don't identify with what I'm saying, your lying to yourself - you know who you are. Best start looking beyond the edge of your own pit-space and start taking these actions to a logical conclusion. I doubt your local club racing scene is much different than my own. Look around your pits...same eight guys I bet, same eight guys you've been racing with for years. Maybe one or two new faces, but not much more than that right?
Yeah...no one wants to race with you, you're too hardcore.
Let me qualify that observation: where does the new guy land? Where do potential new racers go? Someone pops in on your personal sandbox and wants to race...where do you direct them? Going to give them a 1/12 foam car to start with? Uhhh, not hardly. How about one of those sexy $600.00 touring cars? Get serious. You used to have Tamiya Mini racing, but the "hardcore" crowd berated those guys to the point of not showing up anymore. Trial by fire right? Spend a couple $K and see if you like it and us, then you're in? How's that working for club attendance?
Ya buddy...it may not be much, but we have our own thing right here, just the way the eight of us like it...the same eight guys for the last ten years right? Track owner can't float that forever. Track either closes outright, or, like many have done, converts to off-road. Voila!, attendance comes back to something reasonable.
Simple solution...give those wanting to, or considering getting into our favorite hobby, a place to go and learn, without dealing with the "hardcore" costs, learning curve and attitudes. Not suggesting they need to waste their money on a Tyco, but this is why I think a class like WGT-R (1/10 rubber tire pancar) is so potentially important. This thread? 1/12 scale rubber...little smaller, same discussion. A quality pancar running rubber tires is an awesome place to learn all those things we all learned years ago, while learning on a nice chassis that can grow with their needs and abilities. Still wanna be hardcore? Do that...run 1/12 with the tires cut down to the plastic. I dig it, nothing quite like it. Touring car? Sure! Pro10 235mm pancar? No you're talking!
We won't be around forever, on-road needs to find a place for new racers to go. We aren't doing that very effectively now, and the proof is in the pits - same eight guys...
We've done that exact thing. 13.5 with a fair amount of traction work beautifully. Modern CRC carpet and I suspect you'll like it. We switch back to 17.5 during the winter months, because we share the rug with off-road and they pull up our groove. It's like driving on a green track every Sunday. More than that, we are on old school gray ozite - a bit slick when green and cold for 13.5.
What more can I say...WGT-R or any pancar class with rubber tires is awesome! I can hardly take anyone's criticism seriously unless you've tried it. As others have stated, it is a far better experience than you would imagine. Killer run time, low maintenance, low cost, cool body selection. I defy you to find closer racing - two seconds covers the top five or six in qualifying. The mains are almost always decided in the very last turn. Even the hardcore types can get excited over that.
If you're not doing WGT-R, you're not doing it right.
On-road killing it anywhere in the states?
Some of us are still holding on to the same attitudes that caused the decline of on-road more than a decade ago or thereabouts. Not intentionally I don't think, but the result the same, and, I can see the same narrative alive in this thread today. I was a part of that crowd, in the middle of it, watched it happen, perhaps a part of the problem myself. This is maybe a confession of sorts...but if you guys don't identify with what I'm saying, your lying to yourself - you know who you are. Best start looking beyond the edge of your own pit-space and start taking these actions to a logical conclusion. I doubt your local club racing scene is much different than my own. Look around your pits...same eight guys I bet, same eight guys you've been racing with for years. Maybe one or two new faces, but not much more than that right?
Yeah...no one wants to race with you, you're too hardcore.
Let me qualify that observation: where does the new guy land? Where do potential new racers go? Someone pops in on your personal sandbox and wants to race...where do you direct them? Going to give them a 1/12 foam car to start with? Uhhh, not hardly. How about one of those sexy $600.00 touring cars? Get serious. You used to have Tamiya Mini racing, but the "hardcore" crowd berated those guys to the point of not showing up anymore. Trial by fire right? Spend a couple $K and see if you like it and us, then you're in? How's that working for club attendance?
Ya buddy...it may not be much, but we have our own thing right here, just the way the eight of us like it...the same eight guys for the last ten years right? Track owner can't float that forever. Track either closes outright, or, like many have done, converts to off-road. Voila!, attendance comes back to something reasonable.
Simple solution...give those wanting to, or considering getting into our favorite hobby, a place to go and learn, without dealing with the "hardcore" costs, learning curve and attitudes. Not suggesting they need to waste their money on a Tyco, but this is why I think a class like WGT-R (1/10 rubber tire pancar) is so potentially important. This thread? 1/12 scale rubber...little smaller, same discussion. A quality pancar running rubber tires is an awesome place to learn all those things we all learned years ago, while learning on a nice chassis that can grow with their needs and abilities. Still wanna be hardcore? Do that...run 1/12 with the tires cut down to the plastic. I dig it, nothing quite like it. Touring car? Sure! Pro10 235mm pancar? No you're talking!
We won't be around forever, on-road needs to find a place for new racers to go. We aren't doing that very effectively now, and the proof is in the pits - same eight guys...
We've done that exact thing. 13.5 with a fair amount of traction work beautifully. Modern CRC carpet and I suspect you'll like it. We switch back to 17.5 during the winter months, because we share the rug with off-road and they pull up our groove. It's like driving on a green track every Sunday. More than that, we are on old school gray ozite - a bit slick when green and cold for 13.5.
What more can I say...WGT-R or any pancar class with rubber tires is awesome! I can hardly take anyone's criticism seriously unless you've tried it. As others have stated, it is a far better experience than you would imagine. Killer run time, low maintenance, low cost, cool body selection. I defy you to find closer racing - two seconds covers the top five or six in qualifying. The mains are almost always decided in the very last turn. Even the hardcore types can get excited over that.
If you're not doing WGT-R, you're not doing it right.
02-12-2018, 04:10 PM
#287
12th scale tires are cheap. Truing tires is the easiest task in RC. And the new carpet has less wear and the harder spec tires work great.
I don't see the problem. Run F1 or WGT-R for rubber tires, or for newer racers. It would be neat if F1's were wider. Don't wreck a perfectly classic pan car class.
Nitrobuggy is $65 worth of tires every single race day. They're no more than practice tires after the main. How's that for perspective? And cheaper 1/10th buggy classes require that I keep extra tires on hand which makes it nearly as expensive as nitrobuggy.
Isn't 12th scale open tires? You can run rubber if you want to. Just don't ban foams, please.
I don't see the problem. Run F1 or WGT-R for rubber tires, or for newer racers. It would be neat if F1's were wider. Don't wreck a perfectly classic pan car class.
Nitrobuggy is $65 worth of tires every single race day. They're no more than practice tires after the main. How's that for perspective? And cheaper 1/10th buggy classes require that I keep extra tires on hand which makes it nearly as expensive as nitrobuggy.
Isn't 12th scale open tires? You can run rubber if you want to. Just don't ban foams, please.
02-13-2018, 01:28 PM
#289
Okay, I started this thread and I too cringe every time I see it bumped back up.
A little background if I may. After many years of dirt oval and off road I came over to the dark side of on road last winter. By the May-ish timeframe that I posted this, I was about four months into on road and was having a great time with my F1 and GT-R. Also at this time my wife won a trip to Jamaica WITHOUT KIDS. So, with no one to chase around and keep from drowning along with a certain quantity of Red Stripe my foggy mind wandered to 1/12th scale and why they don’t run rubber tires....so I brought it up.
Holy Hell, I had no clue I had suggested the end of western civilization as we know it. People were at my house with pitchforks, my family was forced to enter the witness protection program and the RC Gods thundered down upon me with great fury (I haven’t won a race since that post).
Fast forward to now, as of two weeks ago I actually own a 1/12th scale car and have raced it (and I use the term “raced” very loosely)a couple of times....ON FOAM TIRES!!!! As it turns out, it’s actually fun...although I am not yet a huge fan of truing tires it’s really not too bad and is worth the kick of driving the car.
In summary, I am sincerely sorry for the stress that I have caused you guys, please know that it was not intentional. I have done my best to let this thread die but apparently this is my souvenir from a drunken week in Jamaica....I guess I could have come home with worse.
A little background if I may. After many years of dirt oval and off road I came over to the dark side of on road last winter. By the May-ish timeframe that I posted this, I was about four months into on road and was having a great time with my F1 and GT-R. Also at this time my wife won a trip to Jamaica WITHOUT KIDS. So, with no one to chase around and keep from drowning along with a certain quantity of Red Stripe my foggy mind wandered to 1/12th scale and why they don’t run rubber tires....so I brought it up.
Holy Hell, I had no clue I had suggested the end of western civilization as we know it. People were at my house with pitchforks, my family was forced to enter the witness protection program and the RC Gods thundered down upon me with great fury (I haven’t won a race since that post).
Fast forward to now, as of two weeks ago I actually own a 1/12th scale car and have raced it (and I use the term “raced” very loosely)a couple of times....ON FOAM TIRES!!!! As it turns out, it’s actually fun...although I am not yet a huge fan of truing tires it’s really not too bad and is worth the kick of driving the car.
In summary, I am sincerely sorry for the stress that I have caused you guys, please know that it was not intentional. I have done my best to let this thread die but apparently this is my souvenir from a drunken week in Jamaica....I guess I could have come home with worse.
Last edited by rccars4scott; 02-13-2018 at 01:40 PM.
02-13-2018, 02:23 PM
#290
Tech Master
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Originally Posted by rccars4scott
Okay, I started this thread and I too cringe every time I see it bumped back up.
A little background if I may. After many years of dirt oval and off road I came over to the dark side of on road last winter. By the May-ish timeframe that I posted this, I was about four months into on road and was having a great time with my F1 and GT-R. Also at this time my wife won a trip to Jamaica WITHOUT KIDS. So, with no one to chase around and keep from drowning along with a certain quantity of Red Stripe my foggy mind wandered to 1/12th scale and why they don’t run rubber tires....so I brought it up.
Holy Hell, I had no clue I had suggested the end of western civilization as we know it. People were at my house with pitchforks, my family was forced to enter the witness protection program and the RC Gods thundered down upon me with great fury (I haven’t won a race since that post).
Fast forward to now, as of two weeks ago I actually own a 1/12th scale car and have raced it (and I use the term “raced” very loosely)a couple of times....ON FOAM TIRES!!!! As it turns out, it’s actually fun...although I am not yet a huge fan of truing tires it’s really not too bad and is worth the kick of driving the car.
In summary, I am sincerely sorry for the stress that I have caused you guys, please know that it was not intentional. I have done my best to let this thread die but apparently this is my souvenir from a drunken week in Jamaica....I guess I could have come home with worse.
A little background if I may. After many years of dirt oval and off road I came over to the dark side of on road last winter. By the May-ish timeframe that I posted this, I was about four months into on road and was having a great time with my F1 and GT-R. Also at this time my wife won a trip to Jamaica WITHOUT KIDS. So, with no one to chase around and keep from drowning along with a certain quantity of Red Stripe my foggy mind wandered to 1/12th scale and why they don’t run rubber tires....so I brought it up.
Holy Hell, I had no clue I had suggested the end of western civilization as we know it. People were at my house with pitchforks, my family was forced to enter the witness protection program and the RC Gods thundered down upon me with great fury (I haven’t won a race since that post).
Fast forward to now, as of two weeks ago I actually own a 1/12th scale car and have raced it (and I use the term “raced” very loosely)a couple of times....ON FOAM TIRES!!!! As it turns out, it’s actually fun...although I am not yet a huge fan of truing tires it’s really not too bad and is worth the kick of driving the car.
In summary, I am sincerely sorry for the stress that I have caused you guys, please know that it was not intentional. I have done my best to let this thread die but apparently this is my souvenir from a drunken week in Jamaica....I guess I could have come home with worse.
02-13-2018, 02:50 PM
#291
Tech Master
iTrader: (28)
Originally Posted by vafactor
Well how could we all not accept that most graceful and entertaining confession and apology? With a wit and sense of humor like that, you would be more than welcome to come and race with us anytime....on rubber tires or foams.
02-13-2018, 03:00 PM
#292
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (46)
Originally Posted by rccars4scott
Okay, I started this thread and I too cringe every time I see it bumped back up.
A little background if I may. After many years of dirt oval and off road I came over to the dark side of on road last winter. By the May-ish timeframe that I posted this, I was about four months into on road and was having a great time with my F1 and GT-R. Also at this time my wife won a trip to Jamaica WITHOUT KIDS. So, with no one to chase around and keep from drowning along with a certain quantity of Red Stripe my foggy mind wandered to 1/12th scale and why they don’t run rubber tires....so I brought it up.
Holy Hell, I had no clue I had suggested the end of western civilization as we know it. People were at my house with pitchforks, my family was forced to enter the witness protection program and the RC Gods thundered down upon me with great fury (I haven’t won a race since that post).
Fast forward to now, as of two weeks ago I actually own a 1/12th scale car and have raced it (and I use the term “raced” very loosely)a couple of times....ON FOAM TIRES!!!! As it turns out, it’s actually fun...although I am not yet a huge fan of truing tires it’s really not too bad and is worth the kick of driving the car.
In summary, I am sincerely sorry for the stress that I have caused you guys, please know that it was not intentional. I have done my best to let this thread die but apparently this is my souvenir from a drunken week in Jamaica....I guess I could have come home with worse.
A little background if I may. After many years of dirt oval and off road I came over to the dark side of on road last winter. By the May-ish timeframe that I posted this, I was about four months into on road and was having a great time with my F1 and GT-R. Also at this time my wife won a trip to Jamaica WITHOUT KIDS. So, with no one to chase around and keep from drowning along with a certain quantity of Red Stripe my foggy mind wandered to 1/12th scale and why they don’t run rubber tires....so I brought it up.
Holy Hell, I had no clue I had suggested the end of western civilization as we know it. People were at my house with pitchforks, my family was forced to enter the witness protection program and the RC Gods thundered down upon me with great fury (I haven’t won a race since that post).
Fast forward to now, as of two weeks ago I actually own a 1/12th scale car and have raced it (and I use the term “raced” very loosely)a couple of times....ON FOAM TIRES!!!! As it turns out, it’s actually fun...although I am not yet a huge fan of truing tires it’s really not too bad and is worth the kick of driving the car.
In summary, I am sincerely sorry for the stress that I have caused you guys, please know that it was not intentional. I have done my best to let this thread die but apparently this is my souvenir from a drunken week in Jamaica....I guess I could have come home with worse.
02-13-2018, 09:47 PM
#293
Originally Posted by vafactor
Well how could we all not accept that most graceful and entertaining confession and apology? With a wit and sense of humor like that, you would be more than welcome to come and race with us anytime....on rubber tires or foams.
02-14-2018, 10:44 AM
#294
I’m not a witch, I can prove it. I have 1/12th scale foam tires that you can see the rim through the foam and a strakka body that I beat into submission.
02-14-2018, 11:29 AM
#295
Hahahahah!!! WHY not run ANYTHING that you get enough people interested in!!! I agree-- rubber tires are DIFFERENT racing. After 20 years of experience with 1/12 and 1/10 on road--going to "rubber" in F-1 seemed really weird!! They BOTH have their place--and yeah--I agree the GTR cars are NOT as dialed as the WGT foam tire versions!! Those are AWSOME!! BUT-- if there's enough interest--start a club local level class and see what happens!! IN the mean time--don't burn Scott at the stake yet!! 
02-14-2018, 05:27 PM
#296
I have a curious about rubber with rigid rear axle
02-18-2018, 06:55 PM
#300
Tech Fanatic
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Originally Posted by landau
I have a curious about rubber with rigid rear axle
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