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Rubber Tires 72 41.62%
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:11 AM   #166
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Another thing, I race in Europe (UK / Germany) as well, and nobody, i mean nobody is talking about anybody wanting to switch to rubber! Not even the GT12 or Supastox guys...
That's because the gt12 guys have been through it already and it was no good.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:43 PM   #167
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You are making it more complicated than it is.
IMO, even suggesting rubber tires for this class is making it more complicated than it is.

I believe most of North America has already made the switch to spec tires for 17.5. I can run a minimum of four full race nights on a set of purple stripes starting at 41.5mm. That's $50 for two sets of tires that last all season.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:17 PM   #168
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Something needs to happen only having one tire option for stock class is silly and you canít just true and run it have to glue the edge just right
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:52 PM   #169
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Something needs to happen only having one tire option for stock class is silly and you canít just true and run it have to glue the edge just right
I think having a stock foam tire for 17.5 works great. I have no issues with gluing the sidewall, and I get lots of runs on each set.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:15 PM   #170
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We run on old gray carpet. I don't put any glue on my tires.

I don't believe truing and gluing 1/12th scale tires is any more difficult than gluing (or sanding or warming or whatever other voodoo is done these days to) rubber tires.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:19 PM   #171
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I think rubber tires in some countries MIGHT create a bit more interest and open up a few more facilities, but I am not sure it would be sufficient to justify the cost of them.

I would try them just out of interest

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I actually want to know , with all the people who say rubber tires are the way . How many of them just started racing in the last 3 years and how many more than 10...
Short answer is over 25 years, mostly in on-road electric classes
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:29 PM   #172
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if you want rubber tires race f1, nothing is broken with 1/12. I've been racing 1/12 for 25 years. Its all I race, stopped racing tc when it went to rubber and you wont see me with a wgt-r either.
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:31 PM   #173
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I think any new interest rubber tires might create would be more than offset with people leaving the class disgusted and unwilling to run it over the change. Once the novelty wears off the newcomers will roam onto the next class of the week and 1/12th scale will be left clinging to life with almost no one interested in running it.

Taking a look at the field from the recent USIC shows the single largest class to be 17.5 1/12th scale, with over 80 entries out of a little over 200 racers. What was the question again that we are trying to answer with "rubber tires for 1/12th scale"?
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I don’t believe it was ever suggested for rubber tires to replace foam. Just another option.
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I LOVE the smell of foam tires on the truer. I have been running in a 21.5 foam TC class for the last year. 4 weeks ago I tried a 12th scale car for the first time... I'm thinking about ditching the TCs...

It's Foam or go home!
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:41 AM   #176
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I think any new interest rubber tires might create would be more than offset with people leaving the class disgusted and unwilling to run it over the change. Once the novelty wears off the newcomers will roam onto the next class of the week and 1/12th scale will be left clinging to life with almost no one interested in running it.

Taking a look at the field from the recent USIC shows the single largest class to be 17.5 1/12th scale, with over 80 entries out of a little over 200 racers. What was the question again that we are trying to answer with "rubber tires for 1/12th scale"?
perhaps if.they were to go to rubber only, i say the class would die...

I have been running 1/12 since the 80's and I know some of us "old-heads" love the class as our comfort "zone". I would not continue - its not the same... let Josh Cyrul, Markus MŲbers, Hupo HŲnigl chime in, I'd be interested in their thoughts.

WGT-R killed WGT...

F1 Rubber killed the Original F1, although props to RCF1GP in Japan! look at the cali F1 series... gone!
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What helped kill the F1 class the first time was the first two chassis designs. HPI and Tamiya. they used 2 different types of foam tires. HPI use 1/10th foam and Tamiya used and in between 1/12th size. I actually had to use untrued 1/12 foam. I could not run but a few runs before I would scrap the chassis where the HPI chassis could run alot longer. Nowadays It could be done with new parts I tried to back back then for the frontend.
If they made a rubber 1/12th tire that worked I'd run it.
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What helped kill the F1 class the first time was the first two chassis designs. HPI and Tamiya. they used 2 different types of foam tires. HPI use 1/10th foam and Tamiya used and in between 1/12th size. I actually had to use untrued 1/12 foam. I could not run but a few runs before I would scrap the chassis where the HPI chassis could run alot longer. Nowadays It could be done with new parts I tried to back back then for the frontend.
If they made a rubber 1/12th tire that worked I'd run it.
True, but by the time.the HPI super F1 came on the scene, we had been running the F101 for about 3 years in Europe.

Keil then brought their RC10L based F1, Corally theirs, Kyosho as well...

Before the HPI super F1 HPI made F102, and F103 option parts.

But Foam F1 has persisted, just look at Europe and Japan where it is still run.
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I donít believe it was ever suggested for rubber tires to replace foam. Just another option.
That is part of the problem in racing now...too many classes. It is terribly diluting the classes and really makes things difficult for race organizers.

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True, but by the time.the HPI super F1 came on the scene, we had been running the F101 for about 3 years in Europe.

Keil then brought their RC10L based F1, Corally theirs, Kyosho as well...

Before the HPI super F1 HPI made F102, and F103 option parts.

But Foam F1 has persisted, just look at Europe and Japan where it is still run.
For a lot of people it was cars like those that ruined F1. Sure they made getting rims/tires a lot easier but they ruined the scale aspect of F1. But then again so did the regular F1 tires when they wore down too far. These latest rubber tires helped to bring a resurgence in F1 with their more scale appearance. That said...I really like the way the rubber tires look on the F1 cars...but I very dislike the way they drive. For F1 I'm willing to accept that because of the nature of the class. For 1/12th I'm not. If they could come up with a rubber tire that actually works well that would change things.
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look at the cali F1 series... gone!
Yeah, rubber tires had nothing to do with that.

BTW, 60 F1 cars at the US Indoor Champs in Cleveland USA, on rubber tires. F1 is fine on rubber. 1/12 scalers, enjoy your foams, and carry on with the thread.
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