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MTC1 Manual on the Mugen Web Site.

Correction for the manual




The max/min tooth count of the spur and pinion combined.

64p = 127 to 164 total teeth


48p = 95 to 120 total teeth


People who have spare spur gears left over from other cars which they wish to use but can only utilize 2 of the 4 mounting holes, here's neat trick from MKAH to drill 2 more holes precisely in the spur gear:

1.Dismantle the Spur Holder and mount XRAY Spur with two screws.

2.If you have take a 3mm Top Setting Screw

3.Get the Top Screw in the first free thread to the Spur Holder from the other side until it touches the Spur a litle bit.
Make the same with the second free Thread.


4.Dismantle Top set Srew an the two screws witch holds the Spur on the Holder.
Now you see two marks absolutely central.


5. Take an 3mm Driller an Drill the holes at the marked places

6.Mount the Spur with the two old and two new holes on the Spur.


Spur Gears known to fit the gear holder with the correct hole pattern

1. Axon
2. Panaracer


Upper front arm hinge pin set screw tip (or any of the kit set screws):

When installing the set screw run the set screw in until you can see it come into the hinge pin gap. Back the screw out and make sure there is no flashing in the way and then the screw. Now slide the pin in and you should hit the pin and come to a dead stop. It will be a solid feel and not sloppy like it will not tighten which is caused by any loose plastic.

Hara's Setup


Robert Pietsch's Latest Carpet Setup

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Old 09-28-2017, 08:32 AM
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I sanded one of the thick plastic caster clips instead of using the washers but I need confirmation if as per the manual, 2mm of spacers at the rear of the upper arm provides 4 degrees of caster? Currently I can't measure it precisely enough... what caster value does 1mm rear provide (I will be running on carpet).
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Originally Posted by matt prigmore View Post
yes, one guy is running 2.5mm front and 1.5mm rear, outdoors and me and the rest are using 3mm front and 1mm rear on carpet.
Are you using the clips or did you shim it?
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Are you using the clips or did you shim it?
Clips and the shims include in the supplement found in the kit

3mm front and 1mm rear is a gnats cock over 4 degrees
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Originally Posted by matt prigmore View Post
Clips and the shims include in the supplement found in the kit

3mm front and 1mm rear is a gnats cock over 4 degrees
Hmm, did you also put some weight neaer the front axle? I did this with my T4 to tame the steering a little bit. Hopefully I have time this weekend to do a first shakedown run with the MTC1, still need to do a body for it.
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Hmm, did you also put some weight neaer the front axle? I did this with my T4 to tame the steering a little bit. Hopefully I have time this weekend to do a first shakedown run with the MTC1, still need to do a body for it.
yes, 10g in front of the servo and lipo.

Widening the front hinge pins .3mm each side ( .6mm overall) calms the car down too.

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Attached you will find a color coded gear chart for 48dP

Are the numbers in the boxes the fdr?

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Are the numbers in the boxes the fdr?

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Yep.
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Originally Posted by matt prigmore View Post
yes, 10g in front of the servo and lipo.

Widening the front hinge pins .3mm each side ( .6mm overall) calm the car down too.
Hi, can you explain what do you mean with front hinge pins and how to widening ? Do you mean the upper pins and what do you understand with calm ? less steering ?

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Hi, can you explain what do you mean with front hinge pins and how to widening ? Do you mean the upper pins and what do you understand with calm ? less steering ?

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Assume he means to make the front wider, i.e. the lower hinge pins 0.3 mm wider on each side. This would be done with changing the inserts for the hinge pins. (then you need to redo setup as camber will change....)
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Originally Posted by Stein Tumert View Post
Assume he means to make the front wider, i.e. the lower hinge pins 0.3 mm wider on each side. This would be done with changing the inserts for the hinge pins. (then you need to redo setup as camber will change....)
Sorry guys, yes I mean lower hinge pins.
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Hi, can you explain what do you mean with front hinge pins and how to widening ? Do you mean the upper pins and what do you understand with calm ? less steering ?

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It's called sweep.
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Originally Posted by snuvet75 View Post
It's called sweep.
It's only called sweep if you move the FF inserts alone. If you move FF and FR then it's called track width, which is what Matt is referring to.

Wider front track reduces responsiveness and overall steering.
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And I still struggle with reading their setupsheets. Take the following one for example http://www.mugenseiki.com/download/s..._2017_srt2.pdf
If I read this correctly he increase the rear width by 0.5 degrees and for the front he actually decreased track width added sweep by moving fr further in AND decreased kickup by one degree.

Given the feedback I read here up to now this seems to be counter intuitive for me.
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Originally Posted by MGU View Post
And I still struggle with reading their setupsheets. Take the following one for example http://www.mugenseiki.com/download/s..._2017_srt2.pdf
If I read this correctly he increase the rear width by 0.5 degrees and for the front he actually decreased track width added sweep by moving fr further in AND decreased kickup by one degree.

Given the feedback I read here up to now this seems to be counter intuitive for me.
I fought with this one too. The FF and FR inserts are at max width with some anti dive as pictured. This image somehow needs to better reflect the placement of the inserts with respect to the hingepin. Of course a month from now everyone will have it figured out.
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Originally Posted by daleburr View Post
It's only called sweep if you move the FF inserts alone. If you move FF and FR then it's called track width, which is what Matt is referring to.

Wider front track reduces responsiveness and overall steering.
Sorry my bad. For some reason, I thought I read FF wider.
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