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MTC1 Manual on the Mugen Web Site.

Correction for the manual




The max/min tooth count of the spur and pinion combined.

64p = 127 to 164 total teeth


48p = 95 to 120 total teeth


People who have spare spur gears left over from other cars which they wish to use but can only utilize 2 of the 4 mounting holes, here's neat trick from MKAH to drill 2 more holes precisely in the spur gear:

1.Dismantle the Spur Holder and mount XRAY Spur with two screws.

2.If you have take a 3mm Top Setting Screw

3.Get the Top Screw in the first free thread to the Spur Holder from the other side until it touches the Spur a litle bit.
Make the same with the second free Thread.


4.Dismantle Top set Srew an the two screws witch holds the Spur on the Holder.
Now you see two marks absolutely central.


5. Take an 3mm Driller an Drill the holes at the marked places

6.Mount the Spur with the two old and two new holes on the Spur.


Spur Gears known to fit the gear holder with the correct hole pattern

1. Axon
2. Panaracer


Upper front arm hinge pin set screw tip (or any of the kit set screws):

When installing the set screw run the set screw in until you can see it come into the hinge pin gap. Back the screw out and make sure there is no flashing in the way and then the screw. Now slide the pin in and you should hit the pin and come to a dead stop. It will be a solid feel and not sloppy like it will not tighten which is caused by any loose plastic.

Hara's Setup


Robert Pietsch's Latest Carpet Setup

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:44 AM
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what would you rather replace if you crash?
C blades on a driveshaft.

The plastic cups are fine when new, but spotting wear on them (well, in them) is harder - especially as installed.
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C blades on a driveshaft.

The plastic cups are fine when new, but spotting wear on them (well, in them) is harder - especially as installed.
If anything like the Xray plastic spool cups then pretty rubbish.
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My VBC plastic spool cups are fantastic but I haven't run my Xray long enough to compare. Point being that plastic spool cups can be really good. I guess we'll find out soon enough about the Mugen's but I'm not worried.
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Originally Posted by niznai View Post
But of course. That is exactly Xray style.

I think that should be a pretty durable setup and like I said, what would you rather replace if you crash?
Well, it is the matter of your preference. If you are worried about crash and incurred cost, you cannot use anything expensive in your car. In that sense, i think you are wrong. But as far as plastic outdrive is not as fragile as i think it would, i guess it is ok. And i didnt know xray uses plastic as well.
How is the wear on the cups compared with metal cups?
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Well, it is the matter of your preference. If you are worried about crash and incurred cost, you cannot use anything expensive in your car. In that sense, i think you are wrong. But as far as plastic outdrive is not as fragile as i think it would, i guess it is ok. And i didnt know xray uses plastic as well.
How is the wear on the cups compared with metal cups?
Wear on my steal outdrives with Orange blades is pretty much none existent after racing all year outside in 13.5 boosted, mod would be higher I imagine. The plastic standard ones wear quite quickly and have a lot of unwanted play after very little running.
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Wear on my steal outdrives with Orange blades is pretty much none existent after racing all year outside in 13.5 boosted, mod would be higher I imagine. The plastic standard ones wear quite quickly and have a lot of unwanted play after very little running.
I thought so. Unwanted play might be coming from the two sides of cup spreading out from each other like peeling a banana? LOL
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So is Hara a team driver for the MTC1 or just doing testing?
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Originally Posted by snuvet75 View Post
I thought so. Unwanted play might be coming from the two sides of cup spreading out from each other like peeling a banana? LOL
But the MTC outdrives are closed ones I noticed. Aren't xray outdrives open? It looks like MTC outdrives may be able to prevent the play xray has provided that the inner surface of the plastic outdrives doesn't wear out too quickly.
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Xray plastic outdrives are closed. They wear because the dshaft pin cuts into the plastic
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New option parts
Attached Thumbnails Mugen MTC1-mu-a2127.jpg   Mugen MTC1-mu-a2405.jpg   Mugen MTC1-mu-a2809.jpg  
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Originally Posted by daleburr View Post
Xray plastic outdrives are closed. They wear because the dshaft pin cuts into the plastic
Can use XRAY T4
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Originally Posted by daleburr View Post
Xray plastic outdrives are closed. They wear because the dshaft pin cuts into the plastic
Then mugen should be similar to xray. Do xray guys change the cup to metal a lot then?
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Then mugen should be similar to xray. Do xray guys change the cup to metal a lot then?
Yes. I'd get through 4 or 5 sets of the plastic ones in a season in 13.5 boosted. They're okay in blinky.
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I could imagine the plastic outdrive wearing out a lot quicker than metal ones as well. And like others have said, the pin will dig into the plastic creating unwanted ware until it just free spins inside the cup from excessive ware. There is a reason why manufactures come out with metal replacements as an option. If you are going to talk cost, buying 4-5 pairs of plastic outdrive cups a season would definitely cost more than just a single set of metal one. Not to mention metal drive cups usually last at least 2 seasons. Also, think of all the time needed to break the car down to replace them if the plastic ones are worn. I rather deal with it one time than constantly wrenching on the car.

Im not even sure why so much emphasis is put on crashing. I have yet to break a metal outdrive cup yet, but if you manage to do so in a crash, you'll probably be dealing with far more than just a broken drive cup.
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