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Old 09-25-2018, 12:06 PM
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Not sure how that works. You would think that is the case, but not likely. Tamiya did not invent the pushrod suspension, just like Traxxas did not either. They don't hold a patent either. There is an 80's Schumacher with pushrods, as well as in the 90's you had Tenth technology with the predator series of cars. Both of these were well before Tamiya employed the suspension in the F201 or Traxxas on the Revo line of cars. All I know is Traxxas has been going after companies in more recent years.

Somewhere in the patent language is a provision for previous iterations, but have not read through the whole thing and tried to make sense from it. All I know is they were granted a patent, and they are aggressively protecting it.

Anyways, enough of derailing G-Rem's thread. Sorry about that.
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Old 09-25-2018, 12:38 PM
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LOL, Traxxas has a patent on the "Ball Joint" too. Seriously though, it looks to me that all these patents refer to very specific design, construction and implementation of these components. Looking at the Arrama Nero - it appears to have copied much of the design, construction and implementation of the Traxxas system.
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My message was simply that by proving it was a common design before the patent the patent does not stand that strong in court/whateveritiscalled
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My message was simply that by proving it was a common design before the patent the patent does not stand that strong in court/whateveritiscalled
Not quite how it works. The ARMA/ Hobbico lawsuit is one of the culprits of the failure of Hobbico. The lawsuit was over the pushrod design, not how the truck actually looks from my understanding. However I will admit that the fact that it looks so similar is why the lawsuit happened.

On the patent, there has been plenty of conversation all over the place. From what I gather, Traxxas' patent in on the usage of pushrod suspensions and inboard shocks on model cars. It's really broad.

The point I am trying to make is not that the patent may or not be enforceable. The issue at hand is that if you were to get in their way or their "path" the actual cost of having to defend you would be overwhelming. Too much for a little guy to withstand vs a company with much deeper pockets. Often most intellectual copyright issues are resolved with a simple seize and desist because the cost of fighting it is too high and the benefit of "winning" the lawsuit are outweighed by the cost to get to this resolution, whether monetary or time.

With that said, I do not believe that G-Rem will have any issues with his current design. I was simply stating that if you worry about protecting intellectual rights in this industry, where you have ALL OF THE LARGE manufacturers copying small design houses all the time, you will be disappointed and probably lose all motivation to do something you should really be doing for the love of.
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That was my point too... hence me mentioning Tamiya..
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Thanks CT for you insight on copyrights and patents, it is really interesting to have someone's advise who is very informed on this particular subject

Of course my main goal is not to fight against the bigger players, it is more in the case of someone is planning to copy my designs in order to sell it (e.g. : through a shapeways store,...),... so that I will be able to prove I am the one behind the ideas, that is my only point
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Not quite how it works. The ARMA/ Hobbico lawsuit is one of the culprits of the failure of Hobbico. The lawsuit was over the pushrod design, not how the truck actually looks from my understanding. However I will admit that the fact that it looks so similar is why the lawsuit happened.

On the patent, there has been plenty of conversation all over the place. From what I gather, Traxxas' patent in on the usage of pushrod suspensions and inboard shocks on model cars. It's really broad.

The point I am trying to make is not that the patent may or not be enforceable. The issue at hand is that if you were to get in their way or their "path" the actual cost of having to defend you would be overwhelming. Too much for a little guy to withstand vs a company with much deeper pockets. Often most intellectual copyright issues are resolved with a simple seize and desist because the cost of fighting it is too high and the benefit of "winning" the lawsuit are outweighed by the cost to get to this resolution, whether monetary or time.

With that said, I do not believe that G-Rem will have any issues with his current design. I was simply stating that if you worry about protecting intellectual rights in this industry, where you have ALL OF THE LARGE manufacturers copying small design houses all the time, you will be disappointed and probably lose all motivation to do something you should really be doing for the love of.
Also, lets not forget that Serpent had pushrod suspension on its 1/8 cars before Traxxas was a brand! Then of course their last iteration of it was the Veteq. HARM 1/5 also has had pushrod suspension as well.

I think he will be fine.

Are they going to sue F1 Teams next, lol. I doubt it.

Best of luck with the car, reminds me of the 1/10 MLP F206 F1 car when someone decided to make their own 1/10 scale F1 utilizing some Tamiya Parts. Attached are pictures, I always forget about the Car. It was made by Marty Peterson.
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Is that car using C size battery? Pretty cool looking design tho
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Yes, Regular old school NiMh battery like we used to run.

The MLP is old, was based on the Tamiya F201
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Interesting, how did it drive?
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G-rem put me down for one also. I've been away from the hobby for a minute but am very excited to see you have kept the FGX-ish belt drive F1 concept alive. Eagerly awaiting any and all of your updates.
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Thanks !

I received the parts yesterday, planning on building the car this weekend and post pictures after that, stay tuned
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1/8 ic fan...are you marty that worked at al's ?
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