23LikesRadical idea & concept for TC racing?
04-06-2017, 10:17 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
My radical idea is to have race using touring cars with ROAR rules. Everyone signs up, gets placed in a heat, and you are racing. The fast guys will go faster and the slow guys will go slower. And it is up to you to figure out the best way for you to go your fastest.
04-06-2017, 11:07 AM
#32
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
My radical idea is to have race using touring cars with ROAR rules. Everyone signs up, gets placed in a heat, and you are racing. The fast guys will go faster and the slow guys will go slower. And it is up to you to figure out the best way for you to go your fastest.
Unfortunately it doesn't work. Most people are scared of mod/open racing as they think they have to run a 4.5t. Go look at the cars in the bottom heat, even the ones crashing every other corner and going 3 laps slower than the stock racers, and they'll still have a 4.5 in. On-road racers are totally unable to self-regulate.
So we add in a single stock class like at ETS, then we've got something for everyone and a successful series.
What we don't need are 5 different ways of going slowly.
04-06-2017, 03:18 PM
#35
Originally Posted by daleburr
Unfortunately it doesn't work. Most people are scared of mod/open racing as they think they have to run a 4.5t. Go look at the cars in the bottom heat, even the ones crashing every other corner and going 3 laps slower than the stock racers, and they'll still have a 4.5 in. On-road racers are totally unable to self-regulate.
04-06-2017, 03:27 PM
#36
Originally Posted by wtcc
Hearing the truth hurts many guys. We are human we are all the same. The other guy must have won because of the stronger motor. Not because he is better 
04-18-2017, 04:54 PM
#38
If you want to restore balance between racers despite the fact that motor power differs, there are some possible ways:
- Weight (can be an advandage on low grip)
- Voltage (but how to force drivers to use life lol)
- Ratio (should work on 21.5-25.5, but 13.5-25.5 is not possible)
- Traction (yup why is everybody avoiding this point?)
Traction is the only way you can limit the cars on the track equally. If you consider using hard tyres, or (OMG I will say it) forbid the sauce, you can totally control the power the car is able to use to go forward. Putting a 4.5T in a car with 40R tyres and no sauce would be totally useless, as the car won't be able to use the power.
It would mean that to optimize your traction you will have (OMG I will say it) to setup your car instead of changing the sauce...
At the end you will probably end with an hybrid solution, with reasonable power, like 13.5 boosted, allowing rookie to use a little bit of boost and pros to use the full power of boost and turbo, with a single tire, no cleaner, no conditioner, nothing. From there, you can consider propose multiple ranking lists, everybody running in the same conditions, but with different skills. A such concept will also make everybody progress, because rookies can compare their skills, use experience, feed-backs, and because also the budget remain reasonable and they can invest into tyres, oils, bodies, etc.
I have a last question on my own. We are using this method for years now in my club and we have plenty of happy racers. Why is it so unpopular in the rest of the world?
- Weight (can be an advandage on low grip)
- Voltage (but how to force drivers to use life lol)
- Ratio (should work on 21.5-25.5, but 13.5-25.5 is not possible)
- Traction (yup why is everybody avoiding this point?)
Traction is the only way you can limit the cars on the track equally. If you consider using hard tyres, or (OMG I will say it) forbid the sauce, you can totally control the power the car is able to use to go forward. Putting a 4.5T in a car with 40R tyres and no sauce would be totally useless, as the car won't be able to use the power.
It would mean that to optimize your traction you will have (OMG I will say it) to setup your car instead of changing the sauce...
At the end you will probably end with an hybrid solution, with reasonable power, like 13.5 boosted, allowing rookie to use a little bit of boost and pros to use the full power of boost and turbo, with a single tire, no cleaner, no conditioner, nothing. From there, you can consider propose multiple ranking lists, everybody running in the same conditions, but with different skills. A such concept will also make everybody progress, because rookies can compare their skills, use experience, feed-backs, and because also the budget remain reasonable and they can invest into tyres, oils, bodies, etc.
I have a last question on my own. We are using this method for years now in my club and we have plenty of happy racers. Why is it so unpopular in the rest of the world?
04-21-2017, 01:48 PM
#41
[QUOTE=gigaplex;14892117]So now everyone is expected to own 3 different motors?[/QUOTE
A lot of the top drivers in a club is already running in two of the three classes already. So what is the problem?
A lot of the top drivers in a club is already running in two of the three classes already. So what is the problem?
04-21-2017, 06:01 PM
#42
Originally Posted by massenb203
Originally Posted by gigaplex
So now everyone is expected to own 3 different motors?
04-21-2017, 07:35 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
We're trying to increase participation of new drivers and maintain membership of everyone else. If you're only catering for the top drivers then we're back where we started.
The average person buying RC today know nothing of RC racing. It's not what they've been exposed to. More now see their first RC in a " Dude Perfect" YouTube video.
What about a time trial class? Works for the real cars at track days. How many of us spent hours playing Grand Turismo trying to set lap times.
It took me 6 years to even try a race. This year giving 2 class a shot.
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