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Old 01-12-2006, 09:35 AM   #1
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Default CRC Pro Cut High Roller vs. Jaco 2 stage

Does anyone have experience using either tire? I was wondering how they perform on carpet and asphalt? I have never used either tire and could use some help as which to purchase.
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I use them both. They are both great. I am unable to determine any advantage one has over the other.
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I really like the CRC tires. Used them both and I found the CRC tires to be more consistant. Blacks from CRC are a great front tire. Use White or Gray depending on track conditions for the rear.
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Hmmmmm.
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If Jaco could only make a bigger rim like CRC they would be golden I guess? I read conflicting reports from Cleveland, I know Jaco took stock with the 2 stage but other classes went to normal tires.......
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I really like the CRC tires. Used them both and I found the CRC tires to be more consistant. Blacks from CRC are a great front tire. Use White or Gray depending on track conditions for the rear.
What do you mean by a more consistent tire?
Consitency regarding what?

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Hmmmmm.
Hmmmmm ^2
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What do you mean by a more consistent tire?
Consitency regarding what?


Hmmmmm ^2
what are tires for? TRACTION! a more consistent traction
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:26 PM   #8
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On a high traction carpet surface the CRC blacks won't glaze over and cause inconsistant traction. They stayed the same the entire run. The car was very balanced fron beginning to end. With some other tires, the car might be good of the first part of the run but would get loose later in the run.

I ran both types of tires in Cleveland. I tried 2 stage in the front (Pink and purple) and 2 stage rear tires. The car was very inconsistant. I then tried CRC Blacks in the front and 2 stage in the rear. This setup worked very well in both stock & 19 turn. The car stayed very balanced the entire run.
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what are tires for? TRACTION! a more consistent traction
There is traction, wear, deflection, separation, durability, concentricity, quality, manufacturing....all of these have to do with consistency.

I was not trying to be a smart ass, if some one makes a claim about a tire they could be more specific.

IMO, traction is not the ONLY thing that I look for in a tire.
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Hehe, yeah, no doubt. I was thinking the same thing when I read dakrat's comment.
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On a high traction carpet surface the CRC blacks won't glaze over and cause inconsistant traction. They stayed the same the entire run. The car was very balanced fron beginning to end. With some other tires, the car might be good of the first part of the run but would get loose later in the run.

I ran both types of tires in Cleveland. I tried 2 stage in the front (Pink and purple) and 2 stage rear tires. The car was very inconsistant. I then tried CRC Blacks in the front and 2 stage in the rear. This setup worked very well in both stock & 19 turn. The car stayed very balanced the entire run.
That isa good response!

But a tire is part of the entire suspension of a car, and depending how you set your car, some tires will have better performance and consistency than others. ROLL and WEIGHT TRANSFER have a lot to do with the way a tire will behave.

Maybe for your setup these tires work better, but that does not mean that a tire is BETTER than another since there are many factors that affect tire behavior. Even the carpet temperature will affect tire performance.
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That isa good response!

But a tire is part of the entire suspension of a car, and depending how you set your car, some tires will have better performance and consistency than others. ROLL and WEIGHT TRANSFER have a lot to do with the way a tire will behave.


True!! You can also change the handling of a car by just changing tires. Like I said...The CRC Black front tires don't glaze over and become tacky. This is very important in 12 scale. Your car may be good at the beginning of the run but slow near the end. Some compounds get very tacky on High Traction Carpet. It may happen at the middle of the run where the front tires begin to stick more and cause the car to become loose. Thus causing your lap times to slow later in the run.

The Blacks on the other hand don't get tacky and you can set you car up to be fast for the entire run. My lap time are very close to the same from the beginning of the run to the end of the run.

I've had a hard time accomplishing this with other types of tires.
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Maybe for your setup these tires work better, but that does not mean that a tire is BETTER than another since there are many factors that affect tire behavior. Even the carpet temperature will affect tire performance.

No where did I say one tire was BETTER than the other!!
I just stated WHAT tire I liked
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No where did I say one tire was BETTER than the other!!
I just stated WHAT tire I liked
I was not quoting you...

That was MY STATEMENT

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i ran Jacos and TRCs when i ran foams...i liked both...Jacos seemed to hold up a touch better as far as the outer edge coming loose off the rim at lower profiles...i have zero experience with CRC tires...
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