1/10 On-Road Racing - How cheap can it be done? Lets get new drivers hooked.
#106
I see $240 and out of stock for that BSR at HobbyKing, but that's a darn fine deal if everything works OK. Do you have a source that's sub-$200?
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They were all over eBay. There's a couple 13.5 Artr models and the kit version. Have to see how long takes to get back in stock.
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#108
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What do you mean by "hooked"? Getting them in the door is all well and good, but if they only show up a couple of times, I wouldn't call that being hooked. We want to encourage new racers while minimising the number of people that dump some cash and don't stick with it.
"If you or anyone else want timing system please run the one made by Howard Cano, it's close to DIY and fulfil the role perfectly while being way more cheaper than the evil ones available." I'm perfectly happy with my AMB/RCSP system, thanks. I certainly don't begrudge anyone running something else. Doesn't have anything to do with a budget racing class, of course.
Luckily we have the Maverick Strada TC for 120€ (brushed version), includes everything to run and most people could spend 120€+track fees to see if they like racing or not.
#109
Don't forget, you don't need a transponder to come in last place. You don't need a transponder for practice either.
Loaner transponders are the worst idea in RC, IME. Takes forever for newbs to put them in every run, and they'll just grab the wrong one, or forget to give it back.
If you want to do loaners. Get regular AMB's, not the rechargeables. Rent them out for $10, use someones drivers license as collateral to make sure you get them back. That way they can leave the transponder in their car for the entire day. (don't forget to shrink wrap the wires)
Loaner transponders are the worst idea in RC, IME. Takes forever for newbs to put them in every run, and they'll just grab the wrong one, or forget to give it back.
If you want to do loaners. Get regular AMB's, not the rechargeables. Rent them out for $10, use someones drivers license as collateral to make sure you get them back. That way they can leave the transponder in their car for the entire day. (don't forget to shrink wrap the wires)
#110
Everyone has their beliefs. Track transponders have been invaluable to me over the years. No need to put them back throughout the day, unless I exceed the nine that I have, which hasn't happened since the Slash explosion. Perhaps your opinion is based on very different experiences. Would I spend a grand on personals to do the same thing? Maybe, if I did not have the battery operated versions. However, on the day that I need more than I have, swapping personal transponders every round is the definition of pain in the ass.
When we're talking about recruiting new racers with inexpensive race classes, I assume we're talking organized racing at a track. My comment about the importance of timing data to hook people who will become solid racers is one I certainly stand by.
I have owned two pretty high quality race facilities. Hence, I wouldn't be looking at DIY options... my current loop is about 100 feet from the booth, so "[loop] must terminate as closely as possible to loop amplifier input" is a no-go for me. I certainly understand that others might consider DIY (or something like Trackmate)... although in the total cost picture of what it takes to put together a track (other than a temp parking lot track) a professional decoder isn't more than a moderate expense, and it holds value better than anything else you'll buy.
When we're talking about recruiting new racers with inexpensive race classes, I assume we're talking organized racing at a track. My comment about the importance of timing data to hook people who will become solid racers is one I certainly stand by.
I have owned two pretty high quality race facilities. Hence, I wouldn't be looking at DIY options... my current loop is about 100 feet from the booth, so "[loop] must terminate as closely as possible to loop amplifier input" is a no-go for me. I certainly understand that others might consider DIY (or something like Trackmate)... although in the total cost picture of what it takes to put together a track (other than a temp parking lot track) a professional decoder isn't more than a moderate expense, and it holds value better than anything else you'll buy.
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Don't forget, you don't need a transponder to come in last place. You don't need a transponder for practice either.
Loaner transponders are the worst idea in RC, IME. Takes forever for newbs to put them in every run, and they'll just grab the wrong one, or forget to give it back.
If you want to do loaners. Get regular AMB's, not the rechargeables. Rent them out for $10, use someones drivers license as collateral to make sure you get them back. That way they can leave the transponder in their car for the entire day. (don't forget to shrink wrap the wires)
Loaner transponders are the worst idea in RC, IME. Takes forever for newbs to put them in every run, and they'll just grab the wrong one, or forget to give it back.
If you want to do loaners. Get regular AMB's, not the rechargeables. Rent them out for $10, use someones drivers license as collateral to make sure you get them back. That way they can leave the transponder in their car for the entire day. (don't forget to shrink wrap the wires)
Everyone has their beliefs. Track transponders have been invaluable to me over the years. No need to put them back throughout the day, unless I exceed the nine that I have, which hasn't happened since the Slash explosion. Perhaps your opinion is based on very different experiences. Would I spend a grand on personals to do the same thing? Maybe, if I did not have the battery operated versions. However, on the day that I need more than I have, swapping personal transponders every round is the definition of pain in the ass.
When we're talking about recruiting new racers with inexpensive race classes, I assume we're talking organized racing at a track. My comment about the importance of timing data to hook people who will become solid racers is one I certainly stand by.
I have owned two pretty high quality race facilities. Hence, I wouldn't be looking at DIY options... my current loop is about 100 feet from the booth, so "[loop] must terminate as closely as possible to loop amplifier input" is a no-go for me. I certainly understand that others might consider DIY (or something like Trackmate)... although in the total cost picture of what it takes to put together a track (other than a temp parking lot track) a professional decoder isn't more than a moderate expense, and it holds value better than anything else you'll buy.
When we're talking about recruiting new racers with inexpensive race classes, I assume we're talking organized racing at a track. My comment about the importance of timing data to hook people who will become solid racers is one I certainly stand by.
I have owned two pretty high quality race facilities. Hence, I wouldn't be looking at DIY options... my current loop is about 100 feet from the booth, so "[loop] must terminate as closely as possible to loop amplifier input" is a no-go for me. I certainly understand that others might consider DIY (or something like Trackmate)... although in the total cost picture of what it takes to put together a track (other than a temp parking lot track) a professional decoder isn't more than a moderate expense, and it holds value better than anything else you'll buy.
Yes organized racing is the true motive, I think no one would be interested if there wasn't any sort of competition going on. Turning a succession of good laps (improving oneself) the current objective but we want good competitive racing for all as the ultimate goal.
Aha. You are fine with the official solution but here is parking lot racing (weather permitting, that's why we are moving indoors in the winter). Unfortunately acquiring our own timing system is an expensive gamble, and right now it's not high priority (but understandable for it to be high priority on a track like yours!).
#113
Exactly. As long as the "spirit" of the class is maintained by the people racing it, dollars to donuts the class will succeed whatever it may be. Soon as people start getting really competitive and pushing the rules the class is as good as dead unless the restrictions on it are air tight.
#114
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However, the Cano decoder is a very complex project, and this definitely makes it a no-go for most people or groups.
#115
Exactly. As long as the "spirit" of the class is maintained by the people racing it, dollars to donuts the class will succeed whatever it may be. Soon as people start getting really competitive and pushing the rules the class is as good as dead unless the restrictions on it are air tight.
#117
Hah. RC is still in the same place paintball was a few years ago. There was no player licensing system in paintball, so "pros" could sandbag. Now you sign up for a license to play tournaments (Read: Races) so they know what your player (race) history is.
I doubt we need it in R/C.
#118
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Legends. End of story. They are $100 brand new and include a $20 body and $35 worth of tires. You can morph the basic rules to suit your club, but what must remain is the first and most important rule: If it's not in the rules it's not allowed. Everyone runs the same chassis, battery, tires and a limited selection of bodies. These things are quite durable and replacement parts are cheap. This class has been the longest running and most successful "beginners" class at our local track. You can get into one of these from the ground up with all new components for about $350 including radio and charger.
#119
" The Cano loop amplifier must be located at the loop, just the same as the AMB balun transformer."
Are you saying that the black box where wire meets cable on the AMB loop has required electronics inside it? I would be pretty surprised at that, since I've spend seven years running homemade wire loops with nothing but solder in this location, with the loop anywhere from 50 to 120 feet from the decoder. That's using the RC2 decoder.
Are you saying that the black box where wire meets cable on the AMB loop has required electronics inside it? I would be pretty surprised at that, since I've spend seven years running homemade wire loops with nothing but solder in this location, with the loop anywhere from 50 to 120 feet from the decoder. That's using the RC2 decoder.
#120
"For the expense and pain they aren't worth the expense to the track or drivers."
I understand that this is your opinion. Mine, based on the two tracks I've owned, is the opposite.
"I hear you and understand where you're coming from. You see value in comparing lap times and if you improved since last time (heck, me too). A noob has other priorities the first time he/she picks up a Tx (here is my experience)."
That's actually not what I said. In my experience, the novices that care about their improving lap and heat times are the ones who stick around. Therefore my suggestion that providing this information as part of your race program is an important factor in novice-to-regular uptake.
I understand that this is your opinion. Mine, based on the two tracks I've owned, is the opposite.
"I hear you and understand where you're coming from. You see value in comparing lap times and if you improved since last time (heck, me too). A noob has other priorities the first time he/she picks up a Tx (here is my experience)."
That's actually not what I said. In my experience, the novices that care about their improving lap and heat times are the ones who stick around. Therefore my suggestion that providing this information as part of your race program is an important factor in novice-to-regular uptake.