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Old 01-06-2006, 03:17 PM   #31
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Anders, for BRCA manufactures/matchers have until December 31 to submit new cells to be legal for the following April - I believe EFRA is the same. BRCA hasn't issued the new list, and same appears to go for EFRA. So i'm guessing that Orion are either guessing that they will be legal, or they will obviously know that they have been submitted, and have been told that they will be legal. Bit of guess work i know, but i'd guess that is what has happened.
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Wow.....back to 1 hour plus charging per pack period.....

What is the real advantage of 4300 or 8300mah if the race is still 5 minutes..? I am no electric expert and I want to see why 4300 over 3800 if the voltage are the same.....except the MAH (time) different....
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did you guys know that all the trinity team drivers use team trinity race packs? maybe they know something we don't?
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Orion says they are BRCA, EFRA, IFMAR, JMRCA 2006 legal. I canīt find that anywhere. Any tips, anyone?

Remember being legal (conforming to the rules) and being approved (allowed by the rules) are 2 totally different things.
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Rick what will be the price of the Team Orion GP4300 ?
here we go agin with the battery war i think stock racing should be 6min and mod 7min
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as for the war... well see i knew i was one of the smart ones i didnt jump all over the IBs. now of course IBs are great. but i knew Gp was going to have to shoot back if they wanted to say in the game so i sat back and watched. but the 4300s along with the 4200s WONT be ROAR legal. so for us hard core racers here in the US dont pay attension to these cells. you will trully not gain much at all. if ur a back yard basher and like not having to charge up as much then hey 4300 probably wont hurt. but i am pretty sure voltages are not changing with these cells over their 3800 and 3700 little brothers.

so if you race stock or 19t or some class like that i wouldnt even think about these cells. waste of money. your still going to get the voltage about the same as a 3700 or 3800. so i would rather keep what is legal and run those. dont worry the people that accually go out an buy these cells really wont have and advantage so dont stress and think you have to go out and buy more batteries. if u have 3800s or 3700s ur set.

all like i said itn eh other orion 4300 thread
can a admin please combined the two.. or somthing.
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There is a slight advantage to running a higher capacity cell even in stock. This graph belows shows why(its a bit extreme just to show the effects). A lower capacity cell will decrease in voltage faster than a cell with a higher capacity. Because of this, the voltage of the higher capacity cell will be higher after discharging for any amount of time(except the the first part of the discharge).
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very rue rc guy. i think i talked about the new curves in the other 4300 thread lol. but its the idea of having to buy more packs/ you really dont need that curve change because its very small. even what orion released when they put out a message about the 3700SP2s and 4300s they said that the 3700s are suited for 27t-12t and that you will really only see the advantages in high amp draw mods and 8 min classes.

i posted this quote and a little more info on teh 3700 sp2 thread

"GP 3700 SP2: Great runtime - highest voltage - lowest IR on the market.

Specially developed by GP for the stock racer. To be used in 12t - 19t – 23t - 27t or any 5 minute racing class with a motor limit. The lowest IR in the market guarantees maximum acceleration, the highest Voltage gives maximum top speed. Extremely fast VRT (Voltage Recovery Time) to warrant maximum acceleration and top speed at all times!"
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here is a quote from orion about the 4300s.

"Especially designed racing battery for 1/12 8m, 23t 8 m and any modified high current drain 5 minute motor class. Of course works great too in any other class. Great power and runtime if used with Team Orion V2 brushed technology."
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much more punch, lower IR and using the first part of the curve gives higher voltage for 5 min
Hehehe, I was testing you guys

Of course if you have big capacity battery, you enjoy the flat curve during the whole 5 minutes while others might have declining curve at almost the end of 5 minutes.

So GP4300, here i come !!!
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[QUOTE=Mr. Shookie]Well I'll say IB becuase GP is always odd....LOL
3300, 3700, 4300
IB being even...LOL
3600, 3800, 4200

Four more batches then poof....5000mah here we come....LOL
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reminds me of the processor comparison between Intel & AMD.

numbers to me are always relative....
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There is a slight advantage to running a higher capacity cell even in stock. This graph belows shows why(its a bit extreme just to show the effects). A lower capacity cell will decrease in voltage faster than a cell with a higher capacity. Because of this, the voltage of the higher capacity cell will be higher after discharging for any amount of time(except the the first part of the discharge).
This is very true I think, and they will generate less heat than a fully discharged pack.
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I found a picture with numbers on the cell..........very impressive....
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Anders, for BRCA manufactures/matchers have until December 31 to submit new cells to be legal for the following April - I believe EFRA is the same. BRCA hasn't issued the new list, and same appears to go for EFRA. So i'm guessing that Orion are either guessing that they will be legal, or they will obviously know that they have been submitted, and have been told that they will be legal. Bit of guess work i know, but i'd guess that is what has happened.
Maybe they should wait with that information until they are legal? Until that, I guess they are illegal, right? Are they that desperate? Oscar? Rick?
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I found a picture with numbers on the cell..........very impressive....
Unfortunately you'd need another Orion cell to compare it to as the numbers really don't mean much compared to other matchers...

The numbers seem decent, but with the unique parameters Orion uses there's really not much of a way to tell..
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