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Welcome to the XRAY X12'17 Thread & Wikipost! Here you will find some useful info, tips and tricks as well as setups that are used by several team drivers. Many of us run the X12'17 on high bite carpet and with most US tracks going to the new black CRC carpet, most setups from here out will be developed for those high bite conditions.

Tips & Tricks:
Some racers notice slop developed in the front end over time. One method to reduce/remove this, as pointed out by some of our friends in Europe is to score the inside of the plastic front pivot ball (where the kingpin goes through) with a sharp xacto blade. Usually 4 scores at 12, 3, 6 and 9 will do. Alternative options can be found listed below.

As with any 1/12 pan car, a smooth operating suspension is critical to performance. It is recommended to polish your kingpins & hinge pins using a dremel or a drill and some sort of polish (IE Gravity polish or Mothers Aluminum polish will work). If you find that your suspension has a bind, you may look at using a reamer or drillbit to make sure the holes are clear of any flashing or debris. The only place this may happen is at the upper hingepin, which is 2mm dia.

For stock racing we usually find ourselves looking for a little more steering. One trick that some of the stock drivers have done that seems to help is lowering the graphite plate that the servo & shock mount to. To do this, you will need the 17mm standoffs from VBC and the servo mounts from the 2015 or earlier X12. Be careful that the servo mounts do not sit crooked on the plate when attaching it; a 0.2-0.5mm shim will help ensure it sits perfect on the graphite plate. Part numbers can be found below.

Option Parts to consider:
XRA371220 X12 Foam Bumper
XRA372012 Composite Front Upper Arm Mount – Right – Graphite

XRA372022 Composite Front Upper Arm Mount – Left – Graphite

XRA372113 Composite Suspension Arm Front Lower – Right – Graphite

XRA372123 Composite Suspension Arm Front Lower – Left – Graphite
XRA372177
Spring 4.75 Coils 3.6x6x0.45mm, C=2.0 - Silver (Soft) (2)
XRA372178
Spring 4.05 Coils 3.6x6x0.45mm, C=2.5 - Black (Soft) (2)
XRA373584 Side Spring C=0.6 - Silver (2)
XRA373586 Side Spring C=1.2 - Black (2)
XRA375010 Graphite Rear Axle Shaft - highly recommended
XRA378094 Shock Spring C=2.1 – Black

Lowered Graphite Plate:
B-02-VBC5005
XRA376255-O Alu Servo Mount - Orange (2)

Front end options:
ASC4403 Kingpins, 1:12 Scale
ASC4622 Upper Arm Eyelets

ASC4626 Upper Arm Mounts/Steering Blocks
ASC4627 Front Axles
ASC8417 Pivot Balls

Aluminum Chassis:
Max.FX Aluminum Chassis
McFactory Motorsports
Reflex/RSD

Recent Setups:
Alexander Hagberg - Snowbird Nationals - Mod - High Bite
Craig Xavier - Snowbird Nationals - 17.5 - High Bite
Robbie Dodge - Snowbird Nationals - 17.5 - High Bite
Eric Anderson - ROAR Carpet Nationals - 13.5 High Bite

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Old 08-23-2017, 11:46 PM
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I have some questions on setup options.

What are the pros/cons on using the steel vs the graphite rear axle?

Are the graphite parts best suited asphalt like they do in touring?
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Originally Posted by nnick
I have some questions on setup options.

What are the pros/cons on using the steel vs the graphite rear axle?

Are the graphite parts best suited asphalt like they do in touring?
Pro is lighter weight. Supposedly less tough but I got rear ended in mod and it only put a little chip in the axle. Everyone I know runs the graphite. Significantly lighter esp for stock classes.
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Originally Posted by nnick
I have some questions on setup options.

What are the pros/cons on using the steel vs the graphite rear axle?

Are the graphite parts best suited asphalt like they do in touring?
I have never ran the steel in 12th, always run the graphite. The steel may be useful if rubber tire 12th ever happens though, lol.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:29 AM
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Has anyone tried to run a servo like this?

xpert-rc CI-2401-HV

It's fast, has a lot of power and very light. 21g

As it is a micro would the gears just strip too easy?

I have been running

xpert-rc MI-3301-HV(M2)

If rocks for steering, but it's also very heavy. 37.5g
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I love these Xray front ride height shims! Why can't the rear use something similar!
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Originally Posted by DavidNERODease
I love these Xray front ride height shims! Why can't the rear use something similar!
This wouldn't work. The axel would be in the way or they would have a weird shape.
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My Zen rs12 uses shims at the rear. I like it way more than the other systems so far.
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I've had the thought of using a set screw type screw at the rear axle for several reasons. It would be easier to add or remove shims, and take the axle on or off
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Originally Posted by MUDVAYNE
I've had the thought of using a set screw type screw at the rear axle for several reasons. It would be easier to add or remove shims, and take the axle on or off
I put 14mm set screws on mine. A lot easier to add or remove shims.
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Originally Posted by DavidNERODease
I love these Xray front ride height shims! Why can't the rear use something similar!
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This wouldn't work. The axel would be in the way or they would have a weird shape.
Might work if the rear shims went across the chassis instead.
Literally replacing the small round orange shims that are currently used.
This way the shims would be in front and behind the axle.
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Someone just needs to makem, I agree shims on the rear would be a huge blessing, I hate dropping shims on the floor when trying to install.
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Going across the pod, inline with the axle is not a bad idea, however it may not work in spec classes as the motor sits too close to the axle. It would be nice if it worked tho.
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Constant ride height adjustment is a fact of life in 12th scale so I think the design effort should be made for the 2019 model. Fiddling with these tiny washers is (censored). The front shim system is fantastic and greatly improves my enjoyment of racing 12th scale. I know someone will say buy a CRC for their slider pod but that's not happening - too much good stuff on the X12. A small design change is all that's required to use a similar shim system on the rear. Just put both bearing block screw locations behind the axle. You can also lower the screw height considerably so it'll have an improved CG. Additionally you could connect the two bearing holders together with carbon fibre plate to maintain bearing alignment. I can see several easy peasy lemon squeezy ways to implement a nice shim system like the front and make the CG lower and sexy. L shaped bearing blocks would work too - just need the screws behind the axle.
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If your budget allows do what I do. I have enough tires trued to the same height and run a new set after every run. It will prevent you from having to change ride height on race day. Then all I do is take the tires back home re-true them all to the same height again set the car up at home and you’re ready for the next race. It doesn’t really cost any extra to do it this way. Just an idea
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Changing rear tires isn't fun either. You have to remove and install six screws that hang up on the rims, hard to get the rim perfectly aligned with the holes and then when you're done the tires have lost that perfectly concentric attribute that only happens when you don't remove them every 8 mins.
I can the change front height precisely and quickly just by loosening 4 screws - it's really nice and I want it on the rear gall dang it - LOL.
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