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Old 11-05-2018, 09:46 AM
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looking for some help i got my f1 used try to race it for the first time the car never had traction all day. it felt like it was floating on top of the track. i dont know the setup on the car. i did not put the car together. so i know nothing about the car. start over from scrach.
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What type of track, ie., asphalt, concrete, gray carpet, black carpet...?? What tires are you running? Was it spinning out (have front traction - 0 rear traction) or was it like on ice (0 traction front/rear)??

And, maybe not start from scratch, but anytime I pick up a used car I check the bearings first thing, and things like free movement of the suspension/steering assembly, etc..

The F6 is a good chassis, as are most of the current crop of R/C F1's - unless it was abused it should be fine.

NINJA edit - went back up a few posts and saw you are on CRC black carpet.

To try first:
Run the CRC tires.
Soft front springs (on the kingpins).
Soft - medium side springs.
Firm(er) shock spring.
Glue (CA) the front sidewalls - DON'T do the rears
(Try) 3k - 10k lube in the damper tubes, ~3.5mm or so ride height front, little higher in the back (say 3.8 to maybe 4mm)

Also, throw the Associated front wing in the trash, get a Montech or Tamiya stiff front wing... I imagine you have been hitting the boards (no offense meant) and the PF and Associated wings bend very easily, and will then drag (check under your front wing on the edge, prob covered will black goo). AE rear wing is fine.

1 more thing, set the car to stock caster and go from there. Anyway, a few things to try - I would also have a local help you out, most will as they just want people to race with.
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Originally Posted by aracefan
What type of track, ie., asphalt, concrete, gray carpet, black carpet...?? What tires are you running? Was it spinning out (have front traction - 0 rear traction) or was it like on ice (0 traction front/rear)??

And, maybe not start from scratch, but anytime I pick up a used car I check the bearings first thing, and things like free movement of the suspension/steering assembly, etc..

The F6 is a good chassis, as are most of the current crop of R/C F1's - unless it was abused it should be fine.

NINJA edit - went back up a few posts and saw you are on CRC black carpet.

To try first:
Run the CRC tires.
Soft front springs (on the kingpins).
Soft - medium side springs.
Firm(er) shock spring.
Glue (CA) the front sidewalls - DON'T do the rears
(Try) 3k - 10k lube in the damper tubes, ~3.5mm or so ride height front, little higher in the back (say 3.8 to maybe 4mm)

Also, throw the Associated front wing in the trash, get a Montech or Tamiya stiff front wing... I imagine you have been hitting the boards (no offense meant) and the PF and Associated wings bend very easily, and will then drag (check under your front wing on the edge, prob covered will black goo). AE rear wing is fine.

1 more thing, set the car to stock caster and go from there. Anyway, a few things to try - I would also have a local help you out, most will as they just want people to race with.
thank you for your help yes black carpet. the traction is always good. no goo on the front wing. bearing r good i dont know the spring rates. the car is 4mm in the front and 5mm in the back

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Old 11-05-2018, 01:07 PM
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What I would try next time your at the track; (1) CRC tires, (2) soft front springs. Tighten up your diff as well, most are running locked diff's on black carpet. Definitely check your tires though... for example, if your running Ride GR tires they just won't work. You'll have waaaay too much front traction and zero rear grip - I ran those the first time I was on black carpet. The right tire is 70-80% of the battle.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SGrubb
looking for some help i got my f1 used try to race it for the first time the car never had traction all day. it felt like it was floating on top of the track. i dont know the setup on the car. i did not put the car together. so i know nothing about the car. start over from scrach.
You can go softer on the side and front springs, redo side tubes, I recommend 7-10k, or loosen the ball diff/lighter gear diff oil/take the locked axle out if there is one on the car. The only other thing I would check is to make sure the tires are still glued on the rims, some brands have issues with that.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron328
You can go softer on the side and front springs, redo side tubes, I recommend 7-10k, or loosen the ball diff/lighter gear diff oil/take the locked axle out if there is one on the car. The only other thing I would check is to make sure the tires are still glued on the rims, some brands have issues with that.
good thanks i can do the changes will let you know is it possible to have a tweake chassis.
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Anybody have any fixes, mods or suggestions for this:
pivot ball would pop out even if a feather hit it
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Originally Posted by sonic31
Anybody have any fixes, mods or suggestions for this:
pivot ball would pop out even if a feather hit it
Sounds like either the ball or the cup is damaged or worn. Mine were too tight initially.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
Sounds like either the ball or the cup is damaged or worn. Mine were too tight initially.
i just glued in a new piece and popped in a new ball, hopefully it works
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Once that ball pops out its pretty much done. Will pop out easier each little tap you make. Just replace with new ball and socket and your good. Replaced mine with steel ball but the same issue if it gets popped out. Those cups just seem to get damaged when it happens.
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Old 11-19-2018, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sonic31
Anybody have any fixes, mods or suggestions for this:
pivot ball would pop out even if a feather hit it
To me it looks as if the O-ring is missing???
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Originally Posted by jpx

To me it looks as if the O-ring is missing???
You don't need the o-ring if you glue the insert.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jpx

To me it looks as if the O-ring is missing???
i should've been more specific with the info.
the pic is a new piece glued in place, but yea no o-ring needed
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Old 11-22-2018, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sonic31
i should've been more specific with the info.
the pic is a new piece glued in place, but yea no o-ring needed
so what dod you do, when its worn? Will you have to buy a new arm?

I changed to B6 steel balls and have a set of new cups and o-rings as spare. So if Id get a problem, Id use new cups and o-rings.
Up to now I didnt need to change anything but have to say just raced outdoor on asphalt on a nice track with low curbs and grass in between - so no walls or anything hard to hit there
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Originally Posted by jpx

so what dod you do, when its worn? Will you have to buy a new arm?

I changed to B6 steel balls and have a set of new cups and o-rings as spare. So if Id get a problem, Id use new cups and o-rings.
Up to now I didnt need to change anything but have to say just raced outdoor on asphalt on a nice track with low curbs and grass in between - so no walls or anything hard to hit there
im buying lower arms but if anything i can always clean it out and glue in a new one, xtra work but its worth it
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