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Old 12-14-2005, 08:40 AM   #76
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I race on a weekly basis with Cuffs, Latif, Strasnik, Williams, Schreffler, Larry Fairtrace, Chad Phillips, etc.....I love the competition and agree with you but that is another area where I feel ROAR lets us down. In offroad if you finished in the top 20 in stock you couldnt run Mod. I think if you finished in the A main in stock more than once you should not be allowed to run stock at a National again. How does that sound?
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:51 AM   #77
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Bob... yeah this is what we were discussing in the on-road committte. Coming up with something that was fair to the racer, as they have worked hard to get where they were at, and yet still fair to the other competetors. I think something like taking them out for Life..... is a little stong, as people come and go from the hobby... but the difficult decisions need to be made.

Personally, I like to race against people faster then me, it makes ME faster, but lets face it, at a national level for a stock racer that has no sponsorship and spends thousands just getting to the race, when the same people win over and over... how does that help ?

Off on another tangent.. but maybe MQ will help to lead us in the right direction on these items.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:53 AM   #78
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... If it was that big of a deal to those it effected then they should have made their voices heard.
You don't get it do you? People had no clue what they were voting on!
The electric Onroad committee was never informed or consulted about the new battery rule... I'm wondering if the electric Offroad committee knew about it. I'm guessing they did as their Chair most likely mentioned it. There have been numerous people stating that they thought the 44mm rule was to allow IB3800s and GP3700s. Thats not the case AT ALL! Those batteries fit the current rules. People were uninformed, so if they don't know or are mislead with the issue that they are voting on then how can they honestly and accurately voice their opinion? I guess what chapped my a$$ the most about your smarmy comments was that you have no clue what was going on.

Electric Onroad will not get its fair consideration until there is a new committee chair. The people are there to guide things in the right direction, they just need a new "conduit" to excomm.

Bob - its a misconception that the Roar nats are not important beyond IFMAR qualification. All of the factory Stock racers compete at the Nats while there is no "Stock" Ifmar class. Likewise there are carpet and Onroad nats given the interest in both. As Tim said, comparing sanctioned racing with the large events like IIC, Snowbirds, etc is apples to oranges. The latter events are more than just RC racing. Whether or not Roar should approach things the same way is a whole other debate.
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...... Off on another tangent.. but maybe MQ will help to lead us in the right direction on these items.
We will see on this topic. MQ is in charge of the on-road scene here in Texas and lets just say things aren't as rosy as they once were. Only time will tell and maybe he will move things in the right direction but I won't hold my breathe on that until it actually happens.
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So I'm guessing that racer I heard this form didn't get into an arguement with the ROAR officals and one offical didn't threatened to kick him out of ROAR. Oh well guess it all never happened.
I don't recall any arguments, and I called Rafael (the promoter) and he said he has no idea what you are talking about. Could you give me the Round and Race number in question and I will post the results from that race. You can PM me if your friend wants to remain annoymous. Thanks!
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:05 AM   #81
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Default Real Problem=money solution=industry sponsership

Virtually all successful racing sanctioning bodies or racing series are strongly connected with corporations and financed by corporations.
How far do you think NASCAR or Formula 1 could make it on membership dues from drivers?

ROAR needs a professional paid staff and a larger staff of specialists. It needs a real advertising and promotions budget.

The companies who make money off RC racing need to do more than sponsor a few drivers. Throwing a small percentage of sales into driver sponsoring does almost nothing to help keep the local racing scene alive.
Ask your self how much money does Tower Hobbies give to promote or advance RC racing, for example.

Where I live the only company of any size that does anything to promote RC racing is HobbyTown USA.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:25 AM   #82
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Other forms of racing are spectator sports so sponsors form outside the racing industry still have reason to fork over the dough.

Honestly, Hobbytown and Tower probably make more money on non racing sales than otherwise. We can't forget that when we request manufacturers to "pay the way" that they have a vested interest away from racing as well.

You are right, budget allocation certainly needs reworked. We can't get overzealous though. With a reasonable membership base a small fee increase could yeild pretty significant funding for certain things, but ROAR must make sure these "things" will have a tangible return on membership "investment".

I've always supported paying certain Roar staffers, but lately I've noticed that if the dead weight was dropped and the people on committees that are actually doing work were not held back by egos and bad decisions from certain excom members quality work would be noticed. Perhaps even progress.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:44 PM   #84
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Racers,

We can always help in some instance or another. I got out of racing over 10 years ago when I saw that our local track/club required a ROAR membership and didn't see anything coming from it. It seemed like I was paying my money for nothing. We never got any promotional help or encouragement. It never garunteed a race would be fair, or run right. It seemed more of a prestige thing with the racers, not something that actually helped promote the hobby. I'm sure a lot was up to the club director, but one of the racers should have stepped in and say "hold it!" If your club/track doesn't do enough, it's no one's fault but their's and the racers.

For a long time it seemed ROAR was in a balancing act with industry heads trying to control decisions to help their bottom lines and the racers trying to expand the hobby, with the racers loosing. Partly because who was on the board. I saw that and got out. We need Actual Racers in on these boards to help make decisions. And I'm not talking sponsored racers. Industry helps technology in racing. It's a BAD move to let Industry make Racing rules.
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I've seen a lot about promoting the hobby. I know it takes money. I also know that you can get people to "buy in" on the idea as sponsors. So I think ROAR and any other club/racing organization needs to start selling themselves as something that would be good for communities/outreach programs. It takes organization. And a willingness to do it.

Sometimes I believe that ROAR and IMFAR for that matter get so wrapped up about deciding the rules based on industry and sales that the idea of promoting the r/c hobby gets lost and/or ignored completely. Remember, when there is no people to race, you have no need for rules or organizations. We never want it to get that far. I'm hoping that both the racers and ROAR can come to some consensus on just how much promotion should be a factor, as well as how much responsibility or capability each side should have. Right now there is no plan in action, and there needs to be one. Anyone can make rules..but someone within ROAR needs to start Selling the hobby better, or make it easier for us to do so.
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I'm not able to assist you nor answer your question. You will have to contact Mike Queller at [email protected] if you cannot reach Bob Ingersoll at [email protected]

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When are we going to find out about the new battery rules?January 1st is fast approaching.
Any ROAR offical able to answer this question? Dawn can you send me Kenny's email?Thanks Craig
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The biggest sticking point I see here is the battery thing, so I have a question: If you were in charge of ROAR, what would you about batteries?

Now think about it. One manufacturer came out with a cell that exceeded the dimensions for a sub-C cell. They were asked if they could make the cell meet the size spec. They did, and ROAR allowed cells produced before the change in competition.

Racers bitched.

Now new cells are coming out that are one millimeter longer than previous. ROAR asked the racers for thier opinion if they wanted these cells to be legal.

Racers bitched.

One thing ROAR did in order to try and control costs in our hobby was to implement a policy of approving batteries once a year, trying to stave off the "cell of the week" problem.

Racers bitched.

Now this is one small thing that ROAR has to put up with. Wanna see some of the posts about exhaust port height in .12 engines? One organization in charge of every form of RC racing is extremely difficult to operate in a manner that satisfies at least most of the people. Satisifying everyone is impossible.

Guys who run one race or one series don't have to deal with theses problems. In fact, ROAR makes their job easier. They can use the popular ROAR rules, and change or eliminate the ones they don't like. Maybe ROAR should consider contracting these people to run the nationals.

But somebody would probably bitch about that.
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I'm not able to assist you nor answer your question. You will have to contact Mike Queller at [email protected] if you cannot reach Bob Ingersoll at [email protected]

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It figures. It would too much to ask for the ExCom to be in contact with each other regularly about important issues .

Since you are on the ExCom why don't you talk to Mike and Bob and ask them what the status of this issue is. You might want to let them know that ~5500 of us ROAR members are looking to buy batteries....right now....and we would like to be able to use them 17 days from now.

If you behave as I expect you to behave you will post something about me being rude and we will never see you on this thread again (The typical ROAR run and hide move). I hope that you prove me wrong and come back with information that will actually help your membership.
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