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Old 12-01-2005, 03:57 PM   #46
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That just goes back to the races here in the U.S. needing to step it up to be on par with the rest of the country. I wasn't at the IIC (or Cleveland for that matter) but I heard good and bad things from people that were at each of those races.

I've been to off-road races all over the place and I have yet to see one compare to the IFMAR Worlds in Sweden. It sounds like the IIC was the same kinda thing in terms of on-road. If the races are run correctly, you won't hear people complaining.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:46 PM   #47
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It is hard to run more cars unless the track layout is slower. Oval races only do 8 cars at most for the speed reason. Mainly to give the marshall enough time to hop, skip and grab the car out of the way before somebody else boots it 3 rows into the seats. The last snowbirds on-road layout was quuuiite short. 10-15 feet of dead space on the ends. could have slapped an extra 30-40 ft of running line in. But in order to fit more cars on any track it has to be slower. 12th might be able to fit 12 in there.
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...With all the new technology in personal transponders and 2.4 radios, would it be too far fetched to increase the amount of racers in a heat/main from 10 to 12-15???..
It seems like a sound idea. But the traffic is a killer. We've indirectly implemented what we call a 2 scond rule for the amount of cars in the mains. If a lap took the fast guy 12 seconds, no more than 6 in the heat (2 seconds per car). Any more than that (without a heat full of top class drivers) is a demo derby...

20 second lap, 10 cars is fine.... yadda...

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Old 12-01-2005, 04:59 PM   #49
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I have to throw my hat into the ring with the guys who've said Vegas is where it's at. Nice weather, great atmosphere, the race is run extremely well, the annoucing is spot on...the list goes on and on.

I'm serious: if you have to choose one large race to attend per year, this is the one to attend.
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It seems like a sound idea. But the traffic is a killer. We've indirectly implemented what we call a 2 scond rule for the amount of cars in the mains. If a lap took the fast guy 12 seconds, no more than 6 in the heat (2 seconds per car). Any more than that (without a heat full of top class drivers) is a demo derby...

20 second lap, 10 cars is fine.... yadda...

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Combine the complaints that major races are too long along with some saying that we should have longer runs because of battery technology (especially with LiPo getting more popular), and we'll be down to 1 Qualifier and 1 Main..

The day was 24 hours long back then, it still is now, and isn't changing anytime soon (we can all wish..), so something else has gotta give.. the number of entries, or you simply have to run an ultra-smooth operation with a strict timetable and no concessions. I guess we'll be using the IIC as a benchmark from here on in..
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I'm really just asking if the promoters and racers would prefer:

Glorified club races are 1-day (2-days with open practice day).

Big race, but not National (150 to 250 entry races) 3-days MAX.

National events (Champs, Vegas, ROAR nats) 4-days max.

IFMAR/World Championship level event 5 days max.
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There are way too many classes at most of the big races. Why does there need to be four classes for each car type? Limit the entires and get rid of stock to start. Heck I would even get rid of Masters, but that is another argument.
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I'm really just asking if the promoters and racers would prefer:

Glorified club races are 1-day (2-days with open practice day).

Big race, but not National (150 to 250 entry races) 3-days MAX.

National events (Champs, Vegas, ROAR nats) 4-days max.

IFMAR/World Championship level event 5 days max.
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There are way too many classes at most of the big races. Why does there need to be four classes for each car type? Limit the entires and get rid of stock to start. Heck I would even get rid of Masters, but that is another argument.

But then every one that shows up to the event do not get a trophy
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There are way too many classes at most of the big races. Why does there need to be four classes for each car type? Limit the entires and get rid of stock to start. Heck I would even get rid of Masters, but that is another argument.
True....
If this is a LARGE, Nats, Champs, WORLDS.....
Than get rid of Stock, Stock motors were designed for novice and intermediate guys....They don't really need to be at a Nats or CHamps of WORLDS either.
Look at KO Grand Prix USA...
They only have 19t Spec and Open Mod...
Lots of guys 200 run in two days and you can still be home in time for dinner each night.
Could add more entries but being home before midnight on Sunday is always good for work on Monday.
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CUT STOCK....Heck I am moving up to 19T because there is too many old people who stay in stock and 19T is fading...
If your fast with a stock you can handle a 19T....Or GOSH even the mighty MOD's...Sorry if this stings but if your fast prove it with a faster motor...
Besides look at the lap times....Heck I have seen a guy turn .2 sec per lap slower with a well tuned stock then with a 19T...sheesh why bother with Stock altogether...
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But then every one that shows up to the event do not get a trophy
ROFLOL.....boo hoo...racing model cars for plastic trophies....
Granted Express has the best TQ trophies that could have been thought of...
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Before you all laugh at this, give it a little though....

With all the new technology in personal transponders and 2.4 radios, would it be too far fetched to increase the amount of racers in a heat/main from 10 to 12-15???

This alone would cut the time down considerably to make it more managable.

Just a wAcKY thought....
the local track that frank calandra races at runs 15 in a race

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There are way too many classes at most of the big races. Why does there need to be four classes for each car type? Limit the entires and get rid of stock to start. Heck I would even get rid of Masters, but that is another argument.
I have been saying this for 10 years Rick. ever since they added novice rookie spec tire with equalizer motor class to oval classes at our local track. we only had 30 entrees total any given friday.

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The day was 24 hours long back then, it still is now, and isn't changing anytime soon (we can all wish..), so something else has gotta give.. the number of entries, or you simply have to run an ultra-smooth operation with a strict timetable and no concessions. I guess we'll be using the IIC as a benchmark from here on in..
and the Mains at Vegas DID NOT RUN ON SCHEDULE they had the same BS with needing a minute and introductions. plus the one hour FUBAR in the schedule that they printed off the first time. I had to take off monday just so I could make my flight as it wasn't done till near 8pm that night.
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There are way too many classes at most of the big races. Why does there need to be four classes for each car type? Limit the entires and get rid of stock to start. Heck I would even get rid of Masters, but that is another argument.

Well, a lot of Masters people like to race each other rather than the young people that quite frankly kick our butts. Plus it really doesn't add to the overall time if we were going to attend anyway. Three heats of Masters doesn't take any longer than three heats of regular stock.

Who knows about 19t and stock, lot's of opinions on that one.

Limit entries, you bet! Cleveland would have been much nicer with 400 rather than 500.

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Well, a lot of Masters people like to race each other rather than the young people that quite frankly kick our butts. Plus it really doesn't add to the overall time if we were going to attend anyway. Three heats of Masters doesn't take any longer than three heats of regular stock.

Who knows about 19t and stock, lot's of opinions on that one.

Limit entries, you bet! Cleveland would have been much nicer with 400 rather than 500.

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True. If everyone who planned on racing stock raced another class instead, the problem would remain. Take away stock (or Masters) class and you might get a few people who will decide to not race. Then limit the entires.
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