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Old 09-18-2007, 11:02 PM   #61
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LOL, i know..the best part about traction compound is the smell, i dont care if it works crap, i'll just smell it. The secret to racing fast is getting high off your tyre addative before the race, lol. I love Paragon FXII. Smells awesome and works like a charm

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Yes FXII does smell pretty good, especially after your cars have been closed up for days then open your box.

Niftech is what we are using or JTG due to the track owner not liking the smell of paragon.

Niftech is nice because if you apply it before you repeak you don't have to wipe. Not too much of a scent either.
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Something for track owners to consider when making traction compound rules is the type of rug they own. I own CRC Fast Track II racing carpet. Same stuff used at the IIC, Indoor Champs and Snowbirds. Frank Calandra owner of CRC and distributor of Fast Track II racing carpet will not endorse any traction compound other than Paragon Ground Effects.

This is what I learned on new CRC Fast Track II rubber backed carpet on my track.

TQ Mod (orange) causes problems for foam tires. We used it for 3 months on brand new CRC Fast Track II carpet and the foam 19t and mod touring guys were having a hard time keeping traction in the car for 5 minutes and 1/12 at best you could make 6min. It caused a serious gumball issue that caused foam tires to lose grip. Although this was the least offensive odor wise I had many racers tell me they thought is was making them sick. We used TQ Mod for years on other carpets with rubber tire TC and 1/12 without issues. We soaked a 2" square swatch of our CRC Fast Track II carpet in a baby food jar of TQ Mod and it melted the rubber backing right off the fibers and turned it into a mound of goop at the bottom of the bottle in just a few days. Imagine what it's doing to the rug.

Niftech: After the issues with TQ Mod we switched to Niftech. The smell wasn't bad. That was until you went outside for a few minutes and came back in. Then you could really smell it. Take to big a wiff and you'ld know it. It seemed to work at first. What we noticed was that it was actually cleaning the carpet. The grooves that were present from the TQ Mod were being worn away. After about a month of running Niftech we were starting to loose grip and we weren't building a groove. It's good when your looking to condition your foam or take traction out of the car but Niftech on it's own will not build a groove. We also did the soak test with Niftech and it attacked the adhesives after a few days and we found many fibers floating in the jar.

Jack the Gripper: JTG was OK at best. We had a real hard time building a groove at the '06 carpet nationals with JTG as the spec compound. I know that last year at the IIC the track never built the groove that it did the first year. My theory is that the large buildings with high ceilings allowed a lot more air flow thus drying the track out quickly. Just ask anyone that went to the IIC last year and they'll tell you that the traction was inconsistent. When the AC came on the traction went down, when the AC went off the traction would come up. The following season we continued to use JTG at my track and had serious issues with 1/12. We were pulling tons of fiber out of the rug. In 1/12, which was our only foam tire class last year, we were rapping fibers around the rear tires. It was so bad that after about 5-6 min you would loose all rear bite. It was real bad, we almost lost our 1/12 class. We did the soak test and JTG was about the same as Niftech on the swatch.

After all this in an effort to save myself a few grand in new rug (my rug was only a season and a half old at the time) I did the one thing I said I’d never do at my track and that was to switch to Paragon Ground Effects. The end results were very positive. Racers didn’t really complain about the smell. Many of whom told me that JTG was making them sick (nausea and headaches) and they were no longer leaving with the nausea or headaches. Our traction issues with 1/12 scale were no longer an issue, we had traction again and we had it consistently for 8 minutes. The rubber TC guys were even happy. We ran RP30 or RP24 premounts as our spec tire TC tire last year. Most of the fast stock and 19 turn guys were getting maybe a couple of race weekends on them using JTG and it was time for new shoes. Using Paragon those old shoes were once again good enough to race on for a few more weekends giving them much better tire wear and life.

These are just my experiences with the previously mentioned traction compounds and CRC Fast Track II carpet. Just keep in mind that as operators we try to do what’s best for our programs and racers. We’ll never make everyone happy. At my track it was keep JTG or loose a class and to me that was an unacceptable alternative.
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Remember when Paragon was taken off the market because it didn't have the child-proof cap? I don't know about you guys, but with channel locks and a metric ton of torque those caps are damn near adult-proof.
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Remember when Paragon was taken off the market because it didn't have the child-proof cap? I don't know about you guys, but with channel locks and a metric ton of torque those caps are damn near adult-proof.
Jam a good sized flat screwdriver under the plastic part of the cap and it pries right off... problem averted. However, it would now be your responsibility to keep it out of reach of kids...
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Jam a good sized flat screwdriver under the plastic part of the cap and it pries right off... problem averted. However, it would now be your responsibility to keep it out of reach of kids...
...but I was talking about the metal cap!
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...but I was talking about the metal cap!
well, ya didn't mention that now, did ya...
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When Paragon reappeared on the market (US), it suddenly had the white plastic cap on it. Seemed silly to me since grown men had trouble getting the original "non-child proof" version open. Anyway........
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